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03 Jul 2012, 8:44 pm

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Liberals tend to pass really stupid laws and. They want the governemant to take care of them. Instead of being self-relaint and take care of themnselfs.


Economic depressions are times when people are fearful. In times like this, preaching the "every man for himself" philosophy is like pouring salt on an open wound. It's like taking a knife to the very fabric of society. There is no such thing as being self-reliant unless you choose to go live in the wilderness and grow your own food. It's a myth.


Not so I am a very self-reliant independent person I take care of myself. It's called working having a job doing what it takes to provide for your family. With out having unlce sams help.


Hi again. Three job household. Without government assistance my wife and child would be dead in the streets, as would I.

Does it hurt, being so stupid all the time?


It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


Good point he is always the first to cast stones not me.


You can always tell when you've wounded one. The profanity and name calling gushes out like blood!



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03 Jul 2012, 8:45 pm

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Hi again. Three job household. Without government assistance my wife and child would be dead in the streets, as would I.

Does it hurt, being so stupid all the time?


It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


That's not fair at all, you have absolutely no idea what the specifics of their life are or were at the time they had their child.

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Good point he is always the first to cast stones not me.


You're a cast stone


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03 Jul 2012, 8:47 pm

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Hi again. Three job household. Without government assistance my wife and child would be dead in the streets, as would I.

Does it hurt, being so stupid all the time?


It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


That's not fair at all, you have absolutely no idea what the specifics of their life are or were at the time they had their child.

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Good point he is always the first to cast stones not me.


You're a cast stone


Danke :wink: but name calling is childish pleas act like your 24 :lol:



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03 Jul 2012, 8:49 pm

Joker wrote:
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noname_ever wrote:
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Hi again. Three job household. Without government assistance my wife and child would be dead in the streets, as would I.

Does it hurt, being so stupid all the time?


It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


That's not fair at all, you have absolutely no idea what the specifics of their life are or were at the time they had their child.

Joker wrote:
Good point he is always the first to cast stones not me.


You're a cast stone


Danke :wink: but name calling is childish pleas act like your 24 :lol:


Your face is 24


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03 Jul 2012, 8:50 pm

There is a lot of liberal hate due to the hate the liberals spew themselves. As much as conservatives are criticized for being intolerant, the liberals do the same things about things they dislike.

Make a bad decision like having a child too early or before you have any real chance of providing an adequate life, extract from those who have more. They don't need all of it. I mean, "life happened" to those poor souls. It wasn't due to their own poor planning or risk mitigation/avoidance. After all, doesn't every have these problems and live paycheck to paycheck? No, we don't.

There is a belief that (only) certain groups have a right to avoid being offended. I'm not sure when this right was granted to anyone.

There is also the banning of things they don't like at all (i.e., gun control). It's too hard for some people to act civilized and not shoot something besides a target, wild life, or in self defense. Instead of blaming the uncivilized f***s, it's easier to ban guns. Also, guns are scary.

There is also the selective enforcement or hatred directed to certain things but not others. Look at the treatment of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. If you read the books, they're all pretty f****d up. Yet, there is a refusal to call out all of them.

I'm not a fan of most conservatives either. As someone who leans Libertarian right (see political compass), the liberals force me over to the other side.



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03 Jul 2012, 8:51 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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noname_ever wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Hi again. Three job household. Without government assistance my wife and child would be dead in the streets, as would I.

Does it hurt, being so stupid all the time?


It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


That's not fair at all, you have absolutely no idea what the specifics of their life are or were at the time they had their child.

Joker wrote:
Good point he is always the first to cast stones not me.


You're a cast stone


Danke :wink: but name calling is childish pleas act like your 24 :lol:


Your face is 24


Lame my face is Ginger and I am 23 :wink:



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03 Jul 2012, 9:03 pm

noname_ever wrote:
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Liberals tend to pass really stupid laws and. They want the governemant to take care of them. Instead of being self-relaint and take care of themnselfs.


Economic depressions are times when people are fearful. In times like this, preaching the "every man for himself" philosophy is like pouring salt on an open wound. It's like taking a knife to the very fabric of society. There is no such thing as being self-reliant unless you choose to go live in the wilderness and grow your own food. It's a myth.


Not so I am a very self-reliant independent person I take care of myself. It's called working having a job doing what it takes to provide for your family. With out having unlce sams help.


Hi again. Three job household. Without government assistance my wife and child would be dead in the streets, as would I.

Does it hurt, being so stupid all the time?


It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


A few points:

1. My son was conceived during a much better time in our life, financially.

2. He still defeated three forms of birth control to enter the world.

3. Even if we didn't have our son, our current options would still be homelessness or starvation.


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03 Jul 2012, 9:04 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
marshall wrote:
Joker wrote:
Liberals tend to pass really stupid laws and. They want the governemant to take care of them. Instead of being self-relaint and take care of themnselfs.


Economic depressions are times when people are fearful. In times like this, preaching the "every man for himself" philosophy is like pouring salt on an open wound. It's like taking a knife to the very fabric of society. There is no such thing as being self-reliant unless you choose to go live in the wilderness and grow your own food. It's a myth.


Not so I am a very self-reliant independent person I take care of myself. It's called working having a job doing what it takes to provide for your family. With out having unlce sams help.


Hi again. Three job household. Without government assistance my wife and child would be dead in the streets, as would I.

Does it hurt, being so stupid all the time?


It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


A few points:

1. My son was conceived during a much better time in our life, financially.

2. He still defeated three forms of birth control to enter the world.

3. Even if we didn't have our son, our current options would still be homelessness or starvation.


Cool story bro.



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03 Jul 2012, 9:08 pm

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There is a lot of liberal hate due to the hate the liberals spew themselves. As much as conservatives are criticized for being intolerant, the liberals do the same things about things they dislike.


Is this the "intolerant of intolerance" device?

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Make a bad decision like having a child too early or before you have any real chance of providing an adequate life, extract from those who have more. They don't need all of it. I mean, "life happened" to those poor souls. It wasn't due to their own poor planning or risk mitigation/avoidance. After all, doesn't every have these problems and live paycheck to paycheck? No, we don't.


The religious Conservative birth paradigm does not support abortion, birth control or contraception. When it comes down to it, the right to life ends at birth. After that point, its all up in the air. Abstinence is not a realistic policy to enforce, it is basically burying one's head in the sand. If the politicians are going to force children on people as an unavoidable consequence of their human nature, is it right they leave them high and dry economically? Ultimately it seems to be a self-defeating, redundant loop

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There is a belief that (only) certain groups have a right to avoid being offended. I'm not sure when this right was granted to anyone.


I don't agree with selective outrage either. I don't agree with exercising freedom of speech to make a point that one *can* be rude or offensive, but I do believe it is one's right to do so. Even if it is of poor taste, vainglorious and ignoble

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There is also the banning of things they don't like at all (i.e., gun control). It's too hard for some people to act civilized and not shoot something besides a target, wild life, or in self defense. Instead of blaming the uncivilized f****, it's easier to ban guns. Also, guns are scary.


I don't have strong opinions on gun control, but we have a pretty good gun culture in Canada. I was against the Long-gun registry because I feel it targeted the wrong people and was not worth that money. It is usually illegally acquired guns that are used to commit crimes. Penalizing legitimate gun owners who either use them for sport or decoration is not the right thing to do. I am pretty liberal when it comes to social policies but I intend to own a gun in the next few years, and possibly get into hunting. Maybe its just Canadian liberals? ;)

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There is also the selective enforcement or hatred directed to certain things but not others. Look at the treatment of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. If you read the books, they're all pretty f**** up. Yet, there is a refusal to call out all of them.


I will call them out *any* major religion if called upon. I am for secularism, and recognize the violent and repressive nature of Islam especially

I think one of the biggest problems with current politics is the mixing of politics with economics. This is unavoidable to an extent, but the way politicians talk about it these days is reminiscent to me of Communist economists in the USSR. Not in that they are far leftist, but in their attempt to cement politics with certain economic ideas. It does not actually have to be this way, and the sooner more people realize this, the better. Economic conservatives will no longer be chained to the corpse that is religious conservatism. For further clarification I consider the Democrats economic conservatives so you don't think I am picking on the GOP exclusively


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03 Jul 2012, 9:10 pm

Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


A few points:

1. My son was conceived during a much better time in our life, financially.

2. He still defeated three forms of birth control to enter the world.

3. Even if we didn't have our son, our current options would still be homelessness or starvation.


Cool story bro.


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03 Jul 2012, 9:11 pm

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There is a lot of liberal hate due to the hate the liberals spew themselves. As much as conservatives are criticized for being intolerant, the liberals do the same things about things they dislike.


Is this the "intolerant of intolerance" device?

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Make a bad decision like having a child too early or before you have any real chance of providing an adequate life, extract from those who have more. They don't need all of it. I mean, "life happened" to those poor souls. It wasn't due to their own poor planning or risk mitigation/avoidance. After all, doesn't every have these problems and live paycheck to paycheck? No, we don't.


The religious Conservative birth paradigm does not support abortion, birth control or contraception. When it comes down to it, the right to life ends at birth. After that point, its all up in the air. Abstinence is not a realistic policy to enforce, it is basically burying one's head in the sand. If the politicians are going to force children on people as an unavoidable consequence of their human nature, is it right they leave them high and dry economically? Ultimately it seems to be a self-defeating, redundant loop

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There is a belief that (only) certain groups have a right to avoid being offended. I'm not sure when this right was granted to anyone.


I don't agree with selective outrage either. I don't agree with exercising freedom of speech to make a point that one *can* be rude or offensive, but I do believe it is one's right to do so. Even if it is of poor taste, vainglorious and ignoble

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There is also the banning of things they don't like at all (i.e., gun control). It's too hard for some people to act civilized and not shoot something besides a target, wild life, or in self defense. Instead of blaming the uncivilized f****, it's easier to ban guns. Also, guns are scary.


I don't have strong opinions on gun control, but we have a pretty good gun culture in Canada. I was against the Long-gun registry because I feel it targeted the wrong people and was not worth that money. It is usually illegally acquired guns that are used to commit crimes. Penalizing legitimate gun owners who either use them for sport or decoration is not the right thing to do. I am pretty liberal when it comes to social policies but I intend to own a gun in the next few years, and possibly get into hunting. Maybe its just Canadian liberals? ;)

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There is also the selective enforcement or hatred directed to certain things but not others. Look at the treatment of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. If you read the books, they're all pretty f**** up. Yet, there is a refusal to call out all of them.


I will call them out *any* major religion if called upon. I am for secularism, and recognize the violent and repressive nature of Islam especially

I think one of the biggest problems with current politics is the mixing of politics with economics. This is unavoidable to an extent, but the way politicians talk about it these days is reminiscent to me of Communist economists in the USSR. Not in that they are far leftist, but in their attempt to cement politics with certain economic ideas. It does not actually have to be this way, and the sooner more people realize this, the better. Economic conservatives will no longer be chained to the corpse that is religious conservatism. For further clarification I consider the Democrats economic conservatives so you don't think I am picking on the GOP exclusively


You could always live and let live. Being against it will not stop the religious. Their are diffrent forms of secularism,. Here is a example when I say I am a secular christian I isolate myself from people who are not christian. By not bringing up my faith they don't attack my religion I don't preach to them.



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There is a lot of liberal hate due to the hate the liberals spew themselves. As much as conservatives are criticized for being intolerant, the liberals do the same things about things they dislike.

They love to used dated examples of conservative hate like slavery and 40+ year old civil rights issues. They were good examples BACK THEN but obviously no longer since those people are gone or older than hell. Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.

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There is a belief that (only) certain groups have a right to avoid being offended. I'm not sure when this right was granted to anyone.

I gave up on that by vowing to deeply offend everyone.
No "discrimination" here. :D

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There is also the banning of things they don't like at all (i.e., gun control). It's too hard for some people to act civilized and not shoot something besides a target, wild life, or in self defense. Instead of blaming the uncivilized f****, it's easier to ban guns. Also, guns are scary.

To give the devil it's due there are more liberals coming around to the fact that gun ownership and self defense are a legitimate right. But there are still those that like the idea of a nanny state that regulates gun ownershop to death under the false pretense of "safety". :roll:



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03 Jul 2012, 9:12 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
It was you and your wife's decision to have a child. Before calling someone stupid, look in the mirror.


A few points:

1. My son was conceived during a much better time in our life, financially.

2. He still defeated three forms of birth control to enter the world.

3. Even if we didn't have our son, our current options would still be homelessness or starvation.


Cool story bro.


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How cute :heart:



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03 Jul 2012, 9:12 pm

the levels of baseless us centric generalizations in this thread just went over 9000!!


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Cool story bro.

Perhaps you should refrain commenting in such threads until after you've grown some pubes.



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There is a lot of liberal hate due to the hate the liberals spew themselves. As much as conservatives are criticized for being intolerant, the liberals do the same things about things they dislike.

They love to used dated examples of conservative hate like slavery and 40+ year old civil rights issues. They were good examples BACK THEN but obviously no longer since those people are gone or older than hell. Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.

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There is a belief that (only) certain groups have a right to avoid being offended. I'm not sure when this right was granted to anyone.

I gave up on that by vowing to deeply offend everyone.
No "discrimination" here. :D

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There is also the banning of things they don't like at all (i.e., gun control). It's too hard for some people to act civilized and not shoot something besides a target, wild life, or in self defense. Instead of blaming the uncivilized f****, it's easier to ban guns. Also, guns are scary.

To give the devil it's due there are more liberals coming around to the fact that gun ownership and self defense are a legitimate right. But there are still those that like the idea of a nanny state that regulates gun ownershop to death under the false pretense of "safety". :roll:


Liberals act just as bad as conservative but hate it. WHen you call then out on it.