What to do with the colorado theater shooter

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What should his sentence be?
Death 38%  38%  [ 11 ]
Prison 62%  62%  [ 18 ]
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22 Jul 2012, 4:57 am

I hate to say this but I agree with AspieRogue. It's not about getting inside his head, it's about objectively treating him the way he deserves to be treated. If you show him compassion you are enabling him.

If you want to pour your empathy anywhere, your time will be much better spent directing it towards the real victims. Anything else is a complete and utter waste of time unless you are his defense lawyer.

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22 Jul 2012, 6:14 am

perhaps it has nothing to do with empathy but basic human decency,

i know it sounds cliche but there is a reason for the asying "stooping to his level"


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22 Jul 2012, 6:17 am

We need to waste that dick!

Death penalty FTW!! !

And not just because I'm from Texas either.


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22 Jul 2012, 6:24 am

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And what is Saudi Arabia's homicide rate, pray tell? And please cite your sources.


http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publicat ... STB=T&VW=T
This is for the Netherlands. Additional note: look at the total amount of homicides declining. You're making yourself look rather ridiculous, even for a troll, but I suppose that's your idea of fun.

Saudi Arabia, despite a more repressive culture which inevitably means there will be less mention of the subject, is not that different in terms of homicide rate. Slightly higher in some years. Additionally, your knowledge of the world around you is extremely limited if you thought Turkey had public executions while Turkey hasn't had executions at all for almost thirty years, and has formally abolished it eight years ago. But you're forgiven, my son. Now go forth and sow flowers.

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You do realize, do you not, that part of the low homicide rate in the Netherlands is due to the small population size


Wrong again. My brother, I'm wondering if you know anything at all. Homicide rate is not the total amount of homicides, but the amount of homicides per 100,000 people. That means most countries can be compared relatively accurately. And according to that comparison, we're doing a lot better than the United States.

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the social welfare, and the relative homogeneity of the population?


I'll have to hand this one to you - mainly because I didn't deny those things at all. In fact, homogeneity of the population is a very good thing. The reason we're in a little situation here at the moment is because we've dragged half of the Maghreb and much of islamic Africa and Asia here by now. The social welfare thing has nothing to do with capital punishment, and I'm glad you see it works.

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Also, violent crime in western Europe has been increasing dramatically in the last 10 years despite the lack of capital punishment and civilian firearm ownership!


Of course - that's what happens if you import millions of people from all of the world's sectarian conflict zones and religiously-fundamentalist parts of Africa, put them in a neighbourhood where they can do almost anything they want, and look surprised when they say in court that it was alright and not that illegal to rape underage girls because of the way they behaved.



22 Jul 2012, 7:18 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
We need to waste that dick!

Death penalty FTW!! !

And not just because I'm from Texas either.



Well then Tim, I think you should help foot the bill.



HDM: What works in your country is not going to work in mine. I will admit that I don't know much about crime stats in the Netherlands, nor do I particularly care. But in a country as large, diverse, and economically stratified as the USofA, showing mercy and compassion to violent criminals has only served to embolden them and does nothing to reduce this kind of criminal behavior.



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22 Jul 2012, 7:24 am

I recommend death by torture.



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22 Jul 2012, 7:54 am

heavenlyabyss wrote:
It's not about getting inside his head, it's about objectively treating him the way he deserves to be treated. If you show him compassion you are enabling him.


thanks.. like ... REALLY?

Hey, if some java the hutt, five years unwashed greese lady blew up a school bus, how would you feel recieveing this thread?
"I hope you get raped or killed in the process..." isn't as old as the sun or anything.



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22 Jul 2012, 9:08 am

BreezeGod wrote:
I recommend death by torture.


What is the point? The idea is to make sure Holmes never is loose in society again.

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22 Jul 2012, 9:23 am

ruveyn wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
I recommend death by torture.


What is the point? The idea is to make sure Holmes never is loose in society again.

ruveyn


Is vengence not a good enough reason?



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22 Jul 2012, 9:25 am

BreezeGod wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
I recommend death by torture.


What is the point? The idea is to make sure Holmes never is loose in society again.

ruveyn


Is vengence not a good enough reason?


It complicates a simple task. Keep that goof-ball from doing it again. Inflicting pain is irrelevant.

ruveyn



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22 Jul 2012, 9:28 am

ruveyn wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
I recommend death by torture.


What is the point? The idea is to make sure Holmes never is loose in society again.

ruveyn


Is vengence not a good enough reason?


It complicates a simple task. Keep that goof-ball from doing it again. Inflicting pain is irrelevant.

ruveyn


Inflicting pain is totally relevant if you want some vengence.



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22 Jul 2012, 9:41 am

BreezeGod wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
I recommend death by torture.


What is the point? The idea is to make sure Holmes never is loose in society again.

ruveyn


Is vengence not a good enough reason?


It complicates a simple task. Keep that goof-ball from doing it again. Inflicting pain is irrelevant.

ruveyn


Inflicting pain is totally relevant if you want some vengence.


He didn't say he wanted vengeance.



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22 Jul 2012, 9:44 am

JanuaryMan wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
BreezeGod wrote:
I recommend death by torture.


What is the point? The idea is to make sure Holmes never is loose in society again.

ruveyn


Is vengence not a good enough reason?


It complicates a simple task. Keep that goof-ball from doing it again. Inflicting pain is irrelevant.

ruveyn


Inflicting pain is totally relevant if you want some vengence.


He didn't say he wanted vengeance.


He should.



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22 Jul 2012, 11:31 am

AspieRogue wrote:
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What I am saying is that corrective rape is not cool.


Thank you. This isn't Aspierogue's first rodeo on the subject either, you might even say he has a bit of a thing for homosexual prison rape.


Accurate; buttsecksrape seems to occupy a special place in AR's heart as a fix-all solution



So? I honestly think I made a pretty good case as to why people who commit such extreme offenses like this really don't deserve to be treated with mercy. :wink:

Violence is motivated by the desire for power and dominance. People who carry out this kind of violent behavior do not seem to respect anything other than pure force. Showing empathy to them only emboldens them and teaches them that harming others is a way to win admiration and respect.


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22 Jul 2012, 11:37 am

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It's impossible to say right now. We don't know the extent of his mental illness or why he committed these crimes.


We don't even know that he was mentally ill.....I mean if he's so mentally ill how the hell did he manage to go through life showing no signs of it, plan this all out at length and go legally buy guns. If he had some severe mental illness its likely he would not have even been able to buy the gun.


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22 Jul 2012, 11:47 am

heavenlyabyss wrote:
I hate to say this but I agree with AspieRogue. It's not about getting inside his head, it's about objectively treating him the way he deserves to be treated. If you show him compassion you are enabling him.

If you want to pour your empathy anywhere, your time will be much better spent directing it towards the real victims. Anything else is a complete and utter waste of time unless you are his defense lawyer.

Knowledge is not everything in this world.


Well the human reaction is 'that bastard killed people so he should be killed' but will that actually solve the problem or prevent it from happening again? It's an utter waste of time to fantasize about the terrible ways in which the man may be treated or killed, at least in my opinion. But I understand why people think that way...anger is a typical reaction to these things.


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