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23 Nov 2012, 6:13 pm

In the early days of the Republican primaries, polls showed that Huntsman was the only candidate moderate enough to have any chance of winning against Obama with independents. He was thrashed by the uber-conservative primary voters quickly.

We need a sane opposition. The insanity of the republicans this past four years is part of why Obama got away with things like using drones to kill American citizens. A two-party system is bad enough; a de facto one party system is even worse, even when you agree with some of what that one party says.



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23 Nov 2012, 6:30 pm

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In the early days of the Republican primaries, polls showed that Huntsman was the only candidate moderate enough to have any chance of winning against Obama with independents. He was thrashed by the uber-conservative primary voters quickly.

We need a sane opposition. The insanity of the republicans this past four years is part of why Obama got away with things like using drones to kill American citizens. A two-party system is bad enough; a de facto one party system is even worse, even when you agree with some of what that one party says.


Ron Paul polled better

he was the only one that could win independents and liberals



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23 Nov 2012, 8:20 pm

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David Duke might be in the running.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88AsArwYsTc[/youtube]


After watching Dave's campaign video with it's barely hidden racist and Antisemitic message, I have to ask: what exactly he a Doctor of, and what school gave him a degree?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You'd find racism in a speech from Santa Claus.


Did you watch the video with your eyes closed? The only black face ever to appear was Barrack Obama, and he was shown in a negative light. Companies like Goldman-Sachs was talked about all the while a picture of their obviously Jewish CEO (Blankfein, I believe) was shown. AIPAC was spotlighted in regard to special interest and foreign spending - but no one else. When the supreme court was brought up, a Jewish caricature of a Clinton appointee appeared on screen. When poor people were discussed, only white people were shown. In fact, the only time when brown faces appeared, it had been those of dangerous looking alleged illegals, or foreigners coming to America to steal our jobs. And as for jobs and government contracts being given out on a merit system - how realistically can that be enforced, especially since employers can just say all non-white applicants weren't up to snuff?
This time, watch the video with your eyes open.

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23 Nov 2012, 8:22 pm

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We need a sane opposition. The insanity of the republicans this past four years is part of why Obama got away with things like using drones to kill American citizens. A two-party system is bad enough; a de facto one party system is even worse, even when you agree with some of what that one party says.


When and where has a UVA killed an American citizen. Be specific and cite reliable sources.

ruveyn



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23 Nov 2012, 9:23 pm

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David Duke might be in the running.


Hmmm, I'm surprised that you, of all people, would be posting (i.e. promoting) a campaign add for David Duke.


I beat you to it, didn't I? :)

I'm sure that he and his buddies will at least be voting Repugnican.



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23 Nov 2012, 9:34 pm

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After watching Dave's campaign video with it's barely hidden racist and Antisemitic message, I have to ask: what exactly he a Doctor of, and what school gave him a degree?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... hare-alike

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Former Klansman David Duke has made much of his academic credentials of late. On his website, he repeatedly refers to himself as "Dr." David Duke, a reference to the supposed Ph.D. he "earned" in 2005 at an anti-Semitic Ukrainian institution described as a "diploma mill" by the State Department. Around the white supremacist world, excited accolades to Duke's scholarship abound.

As the closest thing the radical right has to an intellectual today, Duke claims to uphold the high standards of academia. His website brims with criticisms of plagiarism — although they come, naturally, in the form of repeated attacks on civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., who is characterized as a "world-class plagiarist." Plagiarism, Duke's site adds piously, is "theft," a rip-off that the site suggests amounts to "a serious felony."

Which brings us to Duke's last book.

When Duke published his self-proclaimed "world-wide Bestseller" Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening to the Jewish Question in 2002, he promised that the book's "amazing documentary evidence" would challenge "your most cherished beliefs" about who is threatening the existence of "European-Americans." Duke's thesis was simple: Jews oppose all ethnic solidarity other than their own and "they consistently oppose all organizations seeking to preserve the interests and heritage of Europeans." In a nutshell, Jews undermine the white race....


He is as close to an intellectual as they come, isn't he? :lmao:

If the Repugs nominate him, then, of course, he will sweep the South and the Mormon states, and take in the standard 47% of votes.



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23 Nov 2012, 10:57 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
After watching Dave's campaign video with it's barely hidden racist and Antisemitic message, I have to ask: what exactly he a Doctor of, and what school gave him a degree?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... hare-alike

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Former Klansman David Duke has made much of his academic credentials of late. On his website, he repeatedly refers to himself as "Dr." David Duke, a reference to the supposed Ph.D. he "earned" in 2005 at an anti-Semitic Ukrainian institution described as a "diploma mill" by the State Department. Around the white supremacist world, excited accolades to Duke's scholarship abound.

As the closest thing the radical right has to an intellectual today, Duke claims to uphold the high standards of academia. His website brims with criticisms of plagiarism — although they come, naturally, in the form of repeated attacks on civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., who is characterized as a "world-class plagiarist." Plagiarism, Duke's site adds piously, is "theft," a rip-off that the site suggests amounts to "a serious felony."

Which brings us to Duke's last book.

When Duke published his self-proclaimed "world-wide Bestseller" Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening to the Jewish Question in 2002, he promised that the book's "amazing documentary evidence" would challenge "your most cherished beliefs" about who is threatening the existence of "European-Americans." Duke's thesis was simple: Jews oppose all ethnic solidarity other than their own and "they consistently oppose all organizations seeking to preserve the interests and heritage of Europeans." In a nutshell, Jews undermine the white race....


He is as close to an intellectual as they come, isn't he? :lmao:

If the Repugs nominate him, then, of course, he will sweep the South and the Mormon states, and take in the standard 47% of votes.


Diploma mill, huh? :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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23 Nov 2012, 11:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
David Duke might be in the running.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88AsArwYsTc[/youtube]


After watching Dave's campaign video with it's barely hidden racist and Antisemitic message, I have to ask: what exactly he a Doctor of, and what school gave him a degree?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You'd find racism in a speech from Santa Claus.


Did you watch the video with your eyes closed? The only black face ever to appear was Barrack Obama, and he was shown in a negative light. Companies like Goldman-Sachs was talked about all the while a picture of their obviously Jewish CEO (Blankfein, I believe) was shown. AIPAC was spotlighted in regard to special interest and foreign spending - but no one else. When the supreme court was brought up, a Jewish caricature of a Clinton appointee appeared on screen. When poor people were discussed, only white people were shown. In fact, the only time when brown faces appeared, it had been those of dangerous looking alleged illegals, or foreigners coming to America to steal our jobs. And as for jobs and government contracts being given out on a merit system - how realistically can that be enforced, especially since employers can just say all non-white applicants weren't up to snuff?
This time, watch the video with your eyes open.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I'll just bite on this little nugget since it stands out the most and I don't feel like taking the time to dissect every sentence, tempting as it may be.
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And as for jobs and government contracts being given out on a merit system - how realistically can that be enforced, especially since employers can just say all non-white applicants weren't up to snuff?

You either automatically assume that everyone is racist and must have the ax of "equal opportunity" hanging over their heads in order to do right OR you're stating, in a round-about way, that you believe that people of color aren't capable of standing on their own merit alone which is really kind of racist on your part.


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23 Nov 2012, 11:06 pm

Fnord wrote:
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David Duke might be in the running.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88AsArwYsTc[/youtube]


After watching Dave's campaign video with it's barely hidden racist and Antisemitic message, I have to ask: what exactly he a Doctor of, and what school gave him a degree?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

He looks like Marty McFly (Michael J. fox) trying to become Santa Claus.
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You're right. I didn't see it until you mentioned it, but you have a good point.



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23 Nov 2012, 11:07 pm

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In the early days of the Republican primaries, polls showed that Huntsman was the only candidate moderate enough to have any chance of winning against Obama with independents. He was thrashed by the uber-conservative primary voters quickly.

We need a sane opposition. The insanity of the republicans this past four years is part of why Obama got away with things like using drones to kill American citizens. A two-party system is bad enough; a de facto one party system is even worse, even when you agree with some of what that one party says.


Ron Paul polled better

he was the only one that could win independents and liberals

Ron Paul wouldn't win liberals (or women in general) because he's anti-choice. You can't be a real libertarian and still want to have a government minder in the room every time a woman goes to see her Ob-Gyn.



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23 Nov 2012, 11:08 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
After watching Dave's campaign video with it's barely hidden racist and Antisemitic message, I have to ask: what exactly he a Doctor of, and what school gave him a degree?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... hare-alike

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Former Klansman David Duke has made much of his academic credentials of late. On his website, he repeatedly refers to himself as "Dr." David Duke, a reference to the supposed Ph.D. he "earned" in 2005 at an anti-Semitic Ukrainian institution described as a "diploma mill" by the State Department. Around the white supremacist world, excited accolades to Duke's scholarship abound.

As the closest thing the radical right has to an intellectual today, Duke claims to uphold the high standards of academia. His website brims with criticisms of plagiarism — although they come, naturally, in the form of repeated attacks on civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., who is characterized as a "world-class plagiarist." Plagiarism, Duke's site adds piously, is "theft," a rip-off that the site suggests amounts to "a serious felony."

Which brings us to Duke's last book.

When Duke published his self-proclaimed "world-wide Bestseller" Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening to the Jewish Question in 2002, he promised that the book's "amazing documentary evidence" would challenge "your most cherished beliefs" about who is threatening the existence of "European-Americans." Duke's thesis was simple: Jews oppose all ethnic solidarity other than their own and "they consistently oppose all organizations seeking to preserve the interests and heritage of Europeans." In a nutshell, Jews undermine the white race....


He is as close to an intellectual as they come, isn't he? :lmao:

If the Repugs nominate him, then, of course, he will sweep the South and the Mormon states, and take in the standard 47% of votes.


:roll:
He won't make it far enough to sweep anything but his own garage floor.


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23 Nov 2012, 11:13 pm

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We need a sane opposition. The insanity of the republicans this past four years is part of why Obama got away with things like using drones to kill American citizens. A two-party system is bad enough; a de facto one party system is even worse, even when you agree with some of what that one party says.


When and where has a UVA killed an American citizen. Be specific and cite reliable sources.

ruveyn

overview:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Aulaqi
aftermath:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/world ... yemen.html
alternate sources:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20113732.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09 ... ki-killed/

I don't know what 'UVA' stands for, but these strikes (al-Awlaki and his son) are what I was referring to. Was al-Awlaki a bad man? By all appearances, absolutely; however, I don't like the precedent set of assassinating a US citizen without a trial.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/3 ... 88397.html



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23 Nov 2012, 11:22 pm

Now that it has become fashionable for Fundies to love Israel to pieces, Dr. Duke probably doesn't have a prayer of winning the nomination.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlpmRMximW4&bpctr=1353731753[/youtube]

It would be fun to watch him debate the other Republican candidates, though. Last time, Ron Paul was the only contrarian. Rather than watching people trying to out-do each other over how much they love Jesus, love Israel, hate gays and Mexicans, and over how much they would cut taxes and raise military spending, I'd like to see more of a mix of ideas.



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23 Nov 2012, 11:30 pm

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Now that it has become fashionable for Fundies to love Israel to pieces, Dr. Duke probably doesn't have a prayer of winning the nomination.

Fundies traditionally don’t hold Jews that close to their hearts so I don’t think it’s that they love Israel to pieces so much as they respect Israel’s bravery and determination. That and of the two they’d much rather see Israel triumph over their neighbors than the other way around.


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23 Nov 2012, 11:43 pm

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Now that it has become fashionable for Fundies to love Israel to pieces, Dr. Duke probably doesn't have a prayer of winning the nomination.

Fundies traditionally don’t hold Jews that close to their hearts so I don’t think it’s that they love Israel to pieces so much as they respect Israel’s bravery and determination. That and of the two they’d much rather see Israel triumph over their neighbors than the other way around.


Traditionally, no. Now, they want Israel to triumph because they think that Jesus is going to return.



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24 Nov 2012, 12:01 am

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Now that it has become fashionable for Fundies to love Israel to pieces, Dr. Duke probably doesn't have a prayer of winning the nomination.

Fundies traditionally don’t hold Jews that close to their hearts so I don’t think it’s that they love Israel to pieces so much as they respect Israel’s bravery and determination. That and of the two they’d much rather see Israel triumph over their neighbors than the other way around.


Traditionally, no. Now, they want Israel to triumph because they think that Jesus is going to return.


I think my theory has more merit. Fundies don't think (or won't accept) that Jesus was a Jew. Well, at least not a secular one.


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