William Tecumseh Sherman: Hero, or Villain?

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William Tecumseh Sherman was a
hero 44%  44%  [ 8 ]
villain 33%  33%  [ 6 ]
just show the results 22%  22%  [ 4 ]
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16 Dec 2012, 2:52 pm

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Northern generals were uncouth ruffians and barbarians.



But they won battles and eventually the war, especially Sheridan, Sherman and Grant.

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16 Dec 2012, 4:25 pm

In the Liberal North, the Radical Republicans tend to be regarded more heroically.

Johnson as someone who was a nuisance and impediment to the progressive Radical Republican agenda.

I neither attend nor sponsor dinner parties. If I go to see Mme Butterfly, it won't matter who goes with me, as I will be watching the show.

Your chapters on Gen. Lee are nothing but fawning, apparently. In the North, he's just the guy who finally surrendered to Grant.



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16 Dec 2012, 4:37 pm

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Your chapters on Gen. Lee are nothing but fawning, apparently. In the North, he's just the guy who finally surrendered to Grant


I take it that one /\ was for me. :D
Fawning? More like the a documented truth with evidence that is even easy enough for you to find.

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In the North, he's just the guy who finally surrendered to Grant

As repeatedly stated before, I'm from the north and Lee is seen as more than just the guy that surrendered to Grant by anyone that knows anything.

Hmmmm, sometimes lately I get the feeling that the Raptor is starting to get to the AnnoyingParrot.
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16 Dec 2012, 5:04 pm

Reconstruction was most likely different in each Southern state,I can't say that all the Radical Rublicsns(it sure seems weird that AP would take up for any republican) were dishonest but ,hey,they ARE politicians so I'm sure some were corrupt.

"The carpetbaggers were very reckless with the public money.They raised money for courthouses,jails,railroads,and levees that were never built.Mysteriously the money vanished.When Govenor Murphy went out of office,there was $270,000 in the treasury.At the end of1871 the debt was variously estimated at from 12,000,000 to nearly $20,000,000,of which $13,000,000 had been raised for railroads and levees.In 1869 the total state and county tax was 5.7 mills.At the close of 1871 it was more than 40.5 mills,or more than seven times as great."

"In 1878 the Negro party leader declared that they would support the conservative Democratic party.They had not tried to cheat the former slaves as the carpetbaggers had done."

"During Miller's administration ,April,1880,General Ulysses S. Grant visited Ark.A great celebration was held in his honor.Groups of people from all over the state attended.Such a parade had never been seen in Ark."

You can also read about the Holford bonds,if you are interested.

Source: The Story of Arkansas by Hazel Preston



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16 Dec 2012, 5:49 pm

Gentlemen don't attend military academies.



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16 Dec 2012, 6:24 pm

I hope he's burning in hell!


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16 Dec 2012, 7:02 pm

Face the truth AP,Lee was a gentleman.
Another hypothetical question;
You are playing chess with Sherman,you beat him.I bet he would kick the table with the chess board,burn you in the eye with that cigar.
Lee would bow,aclknowledge your mastery of the game and sip cognac with you.
Sherman would swill the cognac and throw the bottle into the fireplace.
And you never responded to the one question,who would you prefer to discuss the arts with, Sherman or Lee?If you HAD to.



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16 Dec 2012, 7:11 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Face the truth AP,Lee was a gentleman.
Another hypothetical question;
You are playing chess with Sherman,you beat him.I bet he would kick the table with the chess board,burn you in the eye with that cigar.
Lee would bow,aclknowledge your mastery of the game and sip cognac with you.
Sherman would swill the cognac and throw the bottle into the fireplace.
And you never responded to the one question,who would you prefer to discuss the arts with, Sherman or Lee?If you HAD to.


Hmmmm......
He seems to have fallen silent in butthurt.
Check the moderator room. I bet he's tattling on us for telling the truth.
Or maybe just busy stringing Christmas lights on the bridge....
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16 Dec 2012, 7:12 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Gentlemen don't attend military academies.


Yes the do, and sometime they run them. Robert E. Lee was commandant of West Point for a while.

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16 Dec 2012, 8:04 pm

Raptor wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Face the truth AP,Lee was a gentleman.
Another hypothetical question;
You are playing chess with Sherman,you beat him.I bet he would kick the table with the chess board,burn you in the eye with that cigar.
Lee would bow,aclknowledge your mastery of the game and sip cognac with you.
Sherman would swill the cognac and throw the bottle into the fireplace.
And you never responded to the one question,who would you prefer to discuss the arts with, Sherman or Lee?If you HAD to.


Hmmmm......
He seems to have fallen silent in butthurt.
Check the moderator room. I bet he's tattling on us for telling the truth.
Or maybe just busy stringing Christmas lights on the bridge....
:D


:roll:

Can't a guy even go and eat dinner?



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16 Dec 2012, 8:06 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Face the truth AP,Lee was a gentleman.
Another hypothetical question;
You are playing chess with Sherman,you beat him.I bet he would kick the table with the chess board,burn you in the eye with that cigar.
Lee would bow,aclknowledge your mastery of the game and sip cognac with you.
Sherman would swill the cognac and throw the bottle into the fireplace.


And the question was?

Misslizard wrote:
And you never responded to the one question,who would you prefer to discuss the arts with, Sherman or Lee?If you HAD to.


Okay, maybe Lee. But I'll go out whoring with Sherman.



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16 Dec 2012, 8:07 pm

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I hope he's burning in hell!


:roll:

I didn't think that I was being that bad in this thread.



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16 Dec 2012, 8:17 pm

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Yes,they do.It said"The President was a FRIEND of the war torn South".
And that the South would have been treated better if he had lived.


Abe Lincoln would have pardonned either an equal number of Southerners or a greater number of Southerners
than Andrew Johnson did, and before the presidential vetos happened, the sheer number of pardons had created
the swirl of controversy? tacitly the Presidential Reconstruction over 1865 and 1866 is very similar for both men but
Abe Lincoln's press releases and public addresses would have been on a more elevated plane? he did not want a
brutal peacetime occupation after the surrender of the great Southern armies. Lincoln would have been a two term
president like George Washington. again, Veep Andrew Johnson could have run in 1868 an' lost, or maybe if he tried
to be very very very polite he'd have gotten the mandate he was seeking in 1866 prior to his quixotic speaking tour!! !



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16 Dec 2012, 8:19 pm

bLueTaEl0nENiGMA wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Yes,they do.It said"The President was a FRIEND of the war torn South".
And that the South would have been treated better if he had lived.


Abe Lincoln would have pardonned either an equal number of Southerners or a greater number of Southerners
than Andrew Johnson did, and before the presidential vetos happened, the sheer number of pardons had created
the swirl of controversy? tacitly the Presidential Reconstruction over 1865 and 1866 is very similar for both men but
Abe Lincoln's press releases and public addresses would have been on a more elevated plane? he did not want a
brutal peacetime occupation after the surrender of the great Southern armies. Lincoln would have been a two term
president like George Washinton. again, Veep Andrew Johnson could have run in 1868 and lost, or maybe if he tried
to be very very very polite he'd have gotten the mandate he was seeking in 1866 prior to his quixotic speaking tour.


In those days the two term "limit" was a custom and not mandated by law. Lincoln was a two term president. He was in his second term for about a month and half when he was killed.

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16 Dec 2012, 8:19 pm

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OliveOilMom wrote:
I hope he's burning in hell!


:roll:

I didn't think that I was being that bad in this thread.


i thought she was talking about the late great general who was named after tecumseh



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16 Dec 2012, 8:22 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Face the truth AP,Lee was a gentleman.
Another hypothetical question;
You are playing chess with Sherman,you beat him.I bet he would kick the table with the chess board,burn you in the eye with that cigar.
Lee would bow,aclknowledge your mastery of the game and sip cognac with you.
Sherman would swill the cognac and throw the bottle into the fireplace.
And you never responded to the one question,who would you prefer to discuss the arts with, Sherman or Lee?If you HAD to.


Hmmmm......
He seems to have fallen silent in butthurt.
Check the moderator room. I bet he's tattling on us for telling the truth.
Or maybe just busy stringing Christmas lights on the bridge....
:D


:roll:

Can't a guy even go and eat dinner?


Goat potroast?


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