What drives people towards libertarianism?

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why not?

because you have to make a little sacrifice, you did that the day you had the chance of moving and didnt.

frankly there is more than enough economic power for everyone, except there are parts of our society that have taken it upon themsleves to control the economic power of every person under their employ to an extent not even seen in the monarchies of old, that is if you see the relative increase in economiuc power pr person since then.

And if you didn't make it? If you were born in some third world dump rather than the good ole' USA? If you developed cancer at a young age driving you bankrupt? You are selfish in that you want to take 100% credit for you "success" while denying the elements of good fortune you have had. Also not all people desire to "consume". That is a dim and bigoted view of others. What about people who simply wish to survive and not be so miserable they would prefer they were never born?

We shall have to deal with these obstructionists sooner rather than later. The way the "unseen hand" is supposed to work is that each of us correctly pursuing our interests produced an aggregate improvement in the society. It is the very negation of the zero sum game. We are going to have to deal those those reactionaries who would put us back into the zero sum world.

ruveyn

You have stated your own granddaughter is autistic? If she can't be 100% financially self-sufficient she is a "loser" in your eyes?

Not my grand-daughter. My #1 son. And he is high functioning. He is doing alright for himself.
My flesh and blood are never losers. They are mine.

ruveyn

I see, only other people are losers? And the doofus Dox47 cannot understand why I think "libertarians" like you and adb are selfish pricks.

What is mine is Mine and what is yours is Yours.

ruveyn

And with that mentality the whole world goes to hell in a hand-basket. You've already admitted the possibility that technology may make make full employment impossible in the future and don't seem to care because "what's mine is mine". Why did you have children if you are wishing such a dim future on them?

hell at least a society where work is minimal some form of redistribution would be neccesary(here we disregard that it to a large extent already should be)

Actually, I care a great deal. My grand chlldren are going to have to deal with it and not in all that many years. I might even be alive to see the sh*t hit the fan.

What is mine is Mine and what is yours is Yours.

ruveyn

what a baseless tautology it is indeed.

what is mine is based upon others just as it is for you.

If someone stole your wallet or emptied out your bank account would you be upset?

ruveyn

This extreme "what's mine is mine" attitude that has infected our society will indeed cause s**t to hit the fan and you are indeed part of the disease.

Then I would still be trying.


What does this have to do with anything? Other countries aren't my problem.


One of my cousins had exactly this happen. He worked his way out of it and is now self-employed and doing quite well.


You and Obama, trying to take credit for the success I fought for decades to achieve. You didn't give me anything. All you do is take. I pay an order of magnitude more in taxes than I receive in government services.


I didn't say all people desire to consume. It's just that usually it's the people focused on consumption that want to take from other people. If everyone was focused on consumption, we'd have no economy. There have to be producers to support consumers.

I'm not bigoted. I am not intolerant of other peoples' opinions. You can think what you want and I'll even consider your ideas no matter how ridiculous they may be. What I'm not tolerant of is stealing from those who produce more than they consume in order to support those who consume more than they produce.


They should do the bare minimum to support their simple wish to survive. How they feel about it (misery or whatever) is really not my problem until they use the government to plunder my bank account rather than working for what they need.

You've accused me a couple times of living in a fantasy world, but you seem to think that humans will put the good of society over the good of self. That is a fantasy that is exposed every time you have a catastrophe and resources are scarce. You can fight human nature or you can work with it. Libertarian ideas work with it. Socialist ideas work against it.

Indeed. In order for anyone to benefit society, one must first see to his own well being.

ruveyn