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How about the leopards?

Zoos that are breeding rare animals also like to try to keep the gene pool as diverse as possible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/0 ... 41256.html

Farmers and pet breeders, though, often do a lot if inbreeding, and selecting for characteristics of interest.

No, darling. By your definition, any man who parents another male's offspring is a patsy.

'Survival of the fittest' is one of the most misunderstood terms in all of science. 'Fitness' = grandkids, not strength. Sometimes it means speed, sometimes strength, sometimes small size and the best ability to hide. In truly Darwinian terms, the jobless black guy with 20 kids by 9 different women is an order of magnitude more fit than a rich CEO with 2 kids... assuming, of course, that all of those kids survive to adulthood and reproduce themselves.

I would ward them off to ensure the safety of the females and children!!

I used the term "Nice Guy™." You used the term "patsy."

You have such colourful phrases for our gender. Either we're "f***ing homicidal, selfish, self-centered pricks", or we're "patsies."

Suppose I came along one day and took a fancy to one of your harem members.

Would your response be: "Oh, you're feeling horny right now? Go ahead! Help yourself!"

Or, would you pound your chest and chase me away?

You claimed that men are all murdering bastards (not in so many words, but that was the gist) towards children they didn't biologically father.

Ana and I responded by saying, basically, that you had just made a misandrist claim and that my dad, as well as many other men, were excellent parents despite not being biologically involved in our conceptions. You responded by, basically, calling my dad a patsy:

While I might agree that the "stud" my mother first selected (her husband) was a poor choice, being an alcoholic artist, I don't think that her selection of him, or her later selection of my dad (a mechanical engineer), fits your narrative of 'alpha male sires kids, poor beta male patsy parents them.' And, no, this is not such an unusual story. People get married too young to people with whom they are not really compatible, have kids (because that's what young married people do, quite often), and then divorce because they're making each other miserable; then they remarry, with people whom they're more compatible with, because they're old enough to be more mature.

'Cause, of course, the 'harem members' wouldn't have any input on the issue.

Maybe more women should.

I think that the typical silverback response would be to chase me away. Unless I won the battle, and chased him away. Any input from the harem members would be moot.

No. Only that such desires may be a part of our genetic makeup.



I'm glad that things worked out for you.

Sometimes, stepkids and step-parents don't get along well together. A biological basis for this may exist.

'Harem members' can't occasionally go 'foraging' out alone if they happen to like the interloper more? It certainly happens with humans and chimpanzees. And 'harem members' are obliged to breed with the new sliverback, if he wins? The one in the OP certainly wasn't getting any love from any of those females.

you made a sweeping statement that men instinctually hate other men's children. That does not jibe with reality, either in whole or even on balance.

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Again, your statement does not apply even on balance. Most step-parents, whether male or female, make good parents. Hell, most adult humans are inclined to help most kids, even if they're total strangers.
Killing the prior male's offspring works in species where 1)the female has estrus cycles that do not occur while she is taking care of offspring; 2)The male's relationship with the female is tenuous enough that he may lose his position to another male at any time, particularly before she completes parenting the current offspring; and 3)the female's estrus instincts are so strong that she'll mate with the nearest available male, regardless of the fact that he killed her offspring.

None of those conditions apply to humans in either current or ancestral populations. In prehistoric hunter-gatherer tribes, killing a woman's children might not only get one ejected from the tribe (a death sentence), but also likely was killing children fairly closely related to oneself. Women generally establish long-term relationships with men - usually at least several years, even for serial monogamists - whereas ovulation is only inhibited by nursing for the first year or two of parenting the child. Finally, a woman is more likely to try to kill a man who harms her offspring than to mate with him, and rape isn't common in hunter-gatherer tribes.

In other words, your speculation is just the typical evo-psych just-so story to attempt to justify the worst extant male behavior of American culture as some thing that men 'can't help.' It lacks both biological and intellectual rigor.

It would be up to them, if they felt uncomfortable I would pound my chest and chase you away!That's if they don't gang up on you and chase you away like the gorilla in the vid first!

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My idea of a minor Hell would be working at a daycare center with lots of screaming kids.snotty noses and sticky hands,and the smell of feces and pee.Plus when they are screaming it's not in "tune" so all that sound that's off key and discordant.And them clinging to me,with those sticky hands.

Some women must have incredible patience or they are part deaf.

Yes, but it is generally frowned upon.


Yes. That would be the customary obligation.


Not at that particular moment. But, as long as the zoo isn't medicating them, and he still possesses his testes, then he will be getting some eventually. No question about that.


Actually, it does.

http://psychcentral.com/ask-the-therapi ... -children/
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/st ... 82749.html
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ste ... tepmothers
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/new ... y-stepkids


I did use the term "sometimes." Sometimes it works out okay. Sometimes not. One shouldn't expect that one will magically get along great with one's stepchildren. Even when the stepchildren are adults.

http://www.experienceproject.com/storie ... nd/1068183


Not so much any more, considering how quickly one can be labeled a sexual predator.


Yes.


They do apply to mammalian species which are closely related to humans, including other hominids. Thus, a genetic predisposition not to get along terribly well with stepchildren may exist.


We really can't know what went on in prehistoric tribes, as they left no history. In wars between tribes, they would sometimes keep captured women and children, and sometimes kill them. See, for example: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=GNT




As is a gorilla, at least initially. Child sacrifice was apparently fairly common among some ancient peoples. As was exposing unwanted children to die. Remember Oedipus?


I think that you may be mistaken. Hunter-gatherer folk have generally led rather brutal, violent lives. Particularly when it came to inter-tribal warfare. What makes you think that they would have laid off raping the women?


I'm not seeking to justify the killing of one's stepchildren, or even the killing of a child born of a cuckolding.


I'm not writing a bloody thesis. How much intellectual rigor can one expect from an internet message board?