Margaret Thatcher has died

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IDontGetIt
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09 Apr 2013, 3:35 am

She supported the Khmer Rouge.
She was a friend and supporter of Augusto Pinochet.
Just saying.

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09 Apr 2013, 3:51 am

IDontGetIt wrote:

She supported the Khmer Rouge.
She was a friend and supporter of Augusto Pinochet.
Just saying.

She also refused to impose sanctions on the South African apartheid government, and branded Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

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09 Apr 2013, 4:10 am

IDontGetIt wrote:

She supported the Khmer Rouge.
She was a friend and supporter of Augusto Pinochet.
Just saying.

The left have an obsession with sucking up to dictators, racists an
,extremists. Chavez, Hussein, Ahmedinajad, IRA, and other terrorist g
oups.

The left have this problem worse than the right. You also have to remember thar this was during the Cold War and lots of these terrorist groups were proxies.

All governments get into bed with unpleasant people. It's a fact of life.

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09 Apr 2013, 4:21 am

To fair to her, Nelson Mandela was a terrorist, just not the sort that kills people.

I don't remember anything before Blair, so maybe I'm sheltered from her a bit, but I personally don't see why people are happy she's dead- for anyone who didn't know her personally, it's no different to her simply being retired. I think many of her policies were disastrous and divisive.

I'm getting a bit fed up of all the praise coming from the media, particularly the stuff about her being our greatest peace time Prime Minister. Erm, Clement Atlee? Harold Wilson?

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09 Apr 2013, 4:53 am

Tequila wrote:

IDontGetIt wrote:

She supported the Khmer Rouge.
She was a friend and supporter of Augusto Pinochet.
Just saying.

I am not here to argue rights and wrongs, I am just pointing out things that have caused people to develop an intense hatred of Margaret Thatcher.
Please note that I have voiced no personal judgement either way.

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09 Apr 2013, 5:20 am

HauntedKnight wrote:

IDontGetIt wrote:

She supported the Khmer Rouge.
She was a friend and supporter of Augusto Pinochet.
Just saying.

She also refused to impose sanctions on the South African apartheid government, and branded Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

Yes I remember. The woman showed a lot of signs of racism in her stance on South Africa.

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09 Apr 2013, 5:41 am

Tequila wrote:

All governments get into bed with unpleasant people. It's a fact of life.

That's an understatement in its self! Are you forgetting about Thatcher's close friendship with Jimmy Savile now?

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09 Apr 2013, 6:19 am

The_Walrus wrote:

To fair to her, Nelson Mandela was a terrorist, just not the sort that kills people.

His group was a violent paramilitary group that murdered civilians. They bombed buildings and terrorised people. That doesn't mean to say that the idea that all of South Africa should have a democratic say is bad, but it's worth noting that the ANC were not fluffy bunnies.

Margaret Thatcher was very anti-apartheid (and often said so too), but she did not think that sanctions were the best way of going about bringing change to South Africa.

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09 Apr 2013, 6:19 am

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Then there was that Goddamn poll tax on Thatcher's.

I find it strange that she died a week after Cameron's poll tax (the bedroom tax) came into action. Edit it started on the 1st April.

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09 Apr 2013, 6:19 am

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The woman showed a lot of signs of racism in her stance on South Africa.

By opposing apartheid, you mean? She thought that sanctions weren't the best way to bring them to heel, as it could do more harm to South Africans than good.

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09 Apr 2013, 6:28 am

The_Walrus wrote:

I'm getting a bit fed up of all the praise coming from the media, particularly the stuff about her being our greatest peace time Prime Minister. Harold Wilson?

The man who closed more pits than Margaret Thatcher ever did?

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09 Apr 2013, 6:29 am

Tequila wrote:

IDontGetIt wrote:

She supported the Khmer Rouge.
She was a friend and supporter of Augusto Pinochet.
Just saying.

The left have an obsession with sucking up to dictators, racists an
,extremists. Chavez, Hussein, Ahmedinajad, IRA, and other terrorist g
oups.

The left have this problem worse than the right.

Again with the continued insistence that the left is a united front...

IDontGetIt made no reference to "the right", just Thatcher. If you had said "Galloway keeps sucking up to dictators..." then that would be a fair response. Irrelevant and fallacious, but equivalent.

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09 Apr 2013, 7:02 am

i never liked her. she had strange teeth.

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09 Apr 2013, 8:20 am

Cornflake wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Maggie had two big brass gongs. Which is more than most British politicians have. Too many Brits are still channeling Neville Chamberlain.

ruveyn

This ^
Love her or hate her, she had the courage to act on her convictions and bigger balls than anyone in parliament, then or since.

A lot of Germans thought the same about Adolf Hitler back in the days of the Weimar Republic. The fact that she had the courage of her convictions doesn't mean that her convictions were right.

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09 Apr 2013, 8:41 am

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A lot of Germans thought the same about Adolf Hitler back in the days of the Weimar Republic. The fact that she had the courage of her convictions doesn't mean that her convictions were right.

She was democratically elected three times. The British public didn't get rid of her. Back-stabbing bastards in her own party did.

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09 Apr 2013, 9:06 am

Tequila wrote:

Bustduster wrote:

A lot of Germans thought the same about Adolf Hitler back in the days of the Weimar Republic. The fact that she had the courage of her convictions doesn't mean that her convictions were right.

She was democratically elected three times. The British public didn't get rid of her. Back-stabbing bastards in her own party did.

Oh yes they did via direct action of mass non payment of the community charge (poll tax)!

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