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All strawman arguments.

Most all essential services will be unaffected. Nobody who works will fail to be paid. These shutdowns are good for illuminating how many people are on a paycheck who really are not essential to our country.

It's nice to have stuff, but when you are forced to limit things to only what you can afford, it's an eye-opener as to what gets picked and what is discarded.

Even worse is that when the issue is resolved, all those who did not work will come back and get full back pay for the time they missed but never worked.

Most government employees should not have a job as they are not essential. In the state of our economy, it's long past time we eliminated every job we don't absolutely need unless there is the current income to cover them.

Do you believe in unicorns too?

This seems a bit over-simplified. Most essential services will remain operational, but they will have reduced support staff. Many of those being furloughed (including many in essential services) do things like making sure that supplies get to where they need to be, repair and perform regular maintenance on equipment and facilities, regulate and ensure safety, work with veterans and veteran benefits, provide emergency services, administrate essential services, make sure government contractors get paid, and maintain cleanliness and sanitary conditions in government facilities.




I am considered non-essential. That is because large portions of safety departments and regulatory compliance positions are considered non-essential (in terms of government shutdown status). We can go with limited radiation safety support in the x-ray and nuclear medicine departments, I guess . . .

In republican dumbspeak, non-essential means "not useful for the very rich".

It takes a deluded mind to consider congress men essential and WIC unessential.

The US government outsources, many companies with government contracts will enter in crisis.

All because the republican idiots want to teach people a "lesson". How dare they want slightly less expensive health care.

Obamacare is so good it forces people to buy it or face a fine

Spoiler: they're still not going to buy it

Zero tolerance. This is a tantrum by republicans who are obsessed with screwing up the poor.

And this tantrum will kill people.

Hey, let's bye the CDC. Talk about non-essential. http://www.popsci.com/article/science/n ... care-about

Meanwhile, republican congress critters who pushed the shutdown will still be getting their hundreds of thousands of dollars a week.

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Now we wouldn't want to wave hi to the drones, would we ? At this point, Thailand is calling me . Cheap healthcare, cheap cost of living, good economy, close to China, beautiful women, tons of entrepreneurs over there, have always been independent. IDK, sounds good to me! Who is up for a bus trip to Asia!

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Most people will buy it. The ones who don't are going to mostly consist of those who have been conditioned to think that the ACA is the most dangerous thing this country has ever faced. The reason the Republicans are so adament about defunding the bill is because they know that a lot of their Fox news watching and talk radio listening people in the lower economic classes are going to like being able to go to the doctor outside of an emergency room. Once the ACA starts to show results, the Republicans are going to lose (even more) face. Sad thing is, people living in red states are going to have to pay more and have more difficulties getting things going thanks to the "I am going to fight you no matter what the cost" school of political thought

If people don't want health insurance, the "fine" is a relatively small amount, less per year than a single emergency room visit would cost.

False.

The ACA does not provide AFFORDABLE health care. For those too poor to by insurance, it will be a question of pay a fine or buy a policy which still DOES NOT pay for health care (e.g, the existing crisis with UNDER-INSURED people). Already people are looking at the offerings and opting to pay the penalty because it's less out of pocket.

Also, maybe the online calculator is off, but if you are below poverty wages, you get no subsidy...presuming they want to push everyone making less than poverty guidelines for their size household onto Medicaid.

We can thank republicans' for that.

ACA will still be an improvement though. That's why republicans hate it so much and are as desperate as to shutdown the whole government to stop it. Simple as that, if republicans weren't shitscared of it, they wouldn't work so hard to stop it. You cannot eat your cake and eat it too. You can't come here talking about how nobody will find ACA useful and at the same time make such herculean efforts to stop it.

Anyway, maybe this will convince the republicans that shutting down the government is a bad idea and can have many unforeseen consequences:
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc ... wt_PHBrand

If you are below the poverty level, your entire premium is subsidized by the federal government for purchasing from the exchange. Subsidies are provided on a sliding scale for people below 4 times the poverty level. The exchanges where the premiums are least affordable are in the states that refuse to take any responsibility for ensuring their citizens get the help they need and the insurance companies get the support for being listed on the state exchange. If your state has only expensive and crappy options on their insurance exchange, you can thank your (most likely Republican controlled) state government.

I'm going to guarantee you that people that choose not to buy health insurance for whatever reason aren't going to be rushing out to fork over $200-300 or however much a month to the insurance companies on January 1st. I would say what the exact rate but government incompetence is one display on healthcare.gov currently and I can't access it. Obamacare does nothing to control cost and will actually cause costs to rise for those that already have insurance. They can fine people until their blue in the face, what are they going to do? They can come and take it if they want. Businesses are cutting hours or much worse to avoid having to pay for the health insurance of their employees, even the unions which are Obama's most loyal supporters are worried about being forced onto these exchanges and losing their more comprehensive coverage. Nancy Pelosi is so selflessly liberating us from the 40 hour work week to follow our dreams! The law is a disaster and I have no fear that people will actually like it, they will know that Obamacare is responsible for their suffering. The lowest costing plans right now are all going to see massive increases in premiums.

I only hope that Obamacare gets delayed, that way 2014 can be a referendum on it. Do you believe the American public really supports it?

Several irritations.

For one: It's not Obamacare it's the Affordable Health Care Act. There's no such thing as Obamacare.

Another: Most of the people who oppose it are truly ignorant and won't even be effected by it in the slightest. All those yokels in Washington who are putting on their little circus acts on the floor HAVE insurance policies far better than the people who will be affected by The Affordable Health Care Act so they need to step down and butt out.

Thank you!

Orwellian to it's core, I will call it what it is

And on top of everything else, several people have contributed to it including major insurance corporations so the idea that it's Obama trying to shove communism down everyone's throat is absurd.

Everyone needs to have health insurance in the US for one simple reason. Anyone can get sick or injured and most people do not have the money to pay their medical bills after this happens.

So what's worse? Affordable Health Care Act or just pretending like your hospital bills do no exist? Which would you prefer? Insurance pay medical bills or they just go unpaid and it's the hospital's problem?

About time government tackled this problem and you should be glad they did. It's time to face reality, quit putting heads in sand.

What's stopping me from waiting until I get sick to purchase health insurance since they cannot discriminate against per-existing conditions and dropping it when I get well? It would be cheaper to pay the fine which they can't collect any way besides without tax returns and doing that than paying for health insurance.