Do most aspies like offending people with religious talk?

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30 Dec 2013, 4:11 am

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Jesus however saves us from our sins, it is written that those who belong to the Christ will not be judged at all but pass straight to life, like a get out of jail free card.

So to sum up, it is advantageous to know about Jesus because you can escape an otherwise adverse judgement at the Resurrection.

However, people who actually believe in Jesus and know of his requirements, but reject them out of hand will indeed be in a worst position but I would imagine such people who prefer to do bad than to obey Jesus, would do bad even if they never heard of Jesus so they wouldn't have been judged well anyway.


I'm curious what you think my outcome will be? I don't believe in any gods; I'm not even convinced that someone called Jesus even existed. However, I live what most Christians would consider to be a moral life. In your opinion am I facing oblivion or some sort of purgatory in a hell somewhere or what?


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30 Dec 2013, 7:41 am

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I'm curious what you think my outcome will be? I don't believe in any gods; I'm not even convinced that someone called Jesus even existed. However, I live what most Christians would consider to be a moral life. In your opinion am I facing oblivion or some sort of purgatory in a hell somewhere or what?


You best accept the lord jebus as your saviour lest you be sent to hell where you be f....d :wink:


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30 Dec 2013, 8:11 am

Yes I do, it irritates me that a society that will define my mind as a condition because it wants clarity, logic and truth, yet allows people who believe in magical beings to hold positions of power and hold them up as wise men. I also hate the answer of faith, faith is not needing to believe in some magical parent that while destroy your community by hurricane but save your pet gerbil to show he still loves you.

Most people would leave a relationship like that. Sorry sweetheart, I killed your family and burnt your house down, but I did save those shoes you like to show you how much I love you.

This is what happens when you enter a dictatorship, because I certainly did not vote for the meek.


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30 Dec 2013, 9:56 am

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Is OP still here? I'd be happy to discuss thoughts on the topic.


Ya man, I'm still here! :) What's up?


Yo!

I still need my morning coffee. In the meantime, here's a somewhat related comic that a lot of internet dweebs can relate to:

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<- Internet dweeb


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30 Dec 2013, 11:53 am

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So I'm no expert here, but after reading a couple of threads and posts in the PPR section, it seems like a large portion of aspies enjoy purposely offending people by attacking or slandering religious beliefs.

I went through a phase where I enjoyed doing this too. I stopped a while ago, but at one point I loved trolling using this technique. I personally think it does no good now but in the past I would do this all the time.

Sometimes I would use mean jokes or make it obvious I had a scholarly justified hatred of this or that belief.

It's not that bad on here, but you can tell some people are trying to troll people with certain beliefs without technically breaking the guidelines.

Do any of you guys do this or have noticed this on here? Be honest. :P


Hey, I can't represent the WrongPlanet community, but I'd be interested in talking with you about this. Particularly because you mentioned having also enjoyed offending people by attacking or slandering religious beliefs.

Unfortunately, for one, it's the Internet. On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog.

Secondly, it's a forum designated for outcasts. Wrong Planet implies we don't seem to belong here. A lot of us have grown up being treated specially, whether intentionally or subconsciously from others; feeling different from the norm; criticized personally, disregarded, abused, or otherwise ridiculed behind our backs. Not all of those examples apply to each individual on this forum, but what I'm saying is that it's a perfectly valid psychological reason to treat others how we've experienced being treated.

I'm also not meaning this is anybody's excuse to argue, enter flame wars, or generally offend/criticize others on WrongPlanet fora. We may or may not be doing it intentionally. We might be letting off some emotional steam. I'm guilty of this; any human being is guilty of this at one point. We're human, after all. ;)

Thirdly, it's a forum that generally invites socially awkward people, in one way or another. We might not even know we're being offensive!! Heck, we might just be with the impression of a healthy debate of personal expression!

Here's another comic from the same website because it relates, too :tongue:

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http://calmblueoceans.com/10/

But who knows. You said yourself you've gone through a phase doing this. How did you enjoy it? Thoughts?


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30 Dec 2013, 1:14 pm

We have a right to criticize religious beliefs for the same reason we have a right to criticize any other view.



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30 Dec 2013, 1:59 pm

whoops, forgot to address the first two questions

StuffedMarshmallow wrote:
Do most aspies like offending people with religious talk?

Likely not, and that's a bit of a blanketed suggestion. We probably "like" offending people with religious talk just the same as any other person in the whole wide world with opinions or beliefs, aspie or not.

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Do any of you guys do this or have noticed this on here? Be honest. :P

I notice it, but come on, it's the internet. ;P

Want to give some real life examples, though?


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30 Dec 2013, 2:28 pm

sketches wrote:
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sketches wrote:
Is OP still here? I'd be happy to discuss thoughts on the topic.


Ya man, I'm still here! :) What's up?


Yo!

I still need my morning coffee. In the meantime, here's a somewhat related comic that a lot of internet dweebs can relate to:

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<- Internet dweeb


I have never grown eyebrows from internet trolling, but due to my waking state being irrational rage I only relate to the picture above the text.


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30 Dec 2013, 9:38 pm

For years I have increasingly developed a profound hatred of organized Christian religion, and whenever anyone starts gushing positively about God or Jesus or whatever it makes me feel very angry. Not just annoyed, ANGRY. I see it all the time on Facebook and I'm constantly removing them and have seriously considered blocking or unfriending anyone who keeps posting them. If someone came up to me and got all Ned Flanders I would want to throw up. Oh, I'm not really an atheist. You can't hate something or someone with a firey passion if they don't really exist. I specially hate how Americans just typically refuse to stop making a huge deal about religion. Why would I want to love a being that has allowed me to suffer for no real reason and let people who lie, cheat, steal, murder and rape get away with it? Why would anyone want to?

Apparently my mother is going to hell because she's catholic and married a man (my father) who isn't, and either used birth control or only did it twice since they only had my brother and me. gee I wonder which is more likely? I don't think she is evil or sinful at all but what I think doesn't matter, I guess. And my brother is going to hell supposedly because he divorced AND married a woman who is divorced. According to Catholic religion that is a BIG, MORTAL sin. My father is one of the sweetest, kindest, most helpful men I know, but no, he's going to writhe in hellfire, too. :(

I'm going to hell for oh so many reasons, including writing this. And for being left-handed, having parents of mixed religion, loves cats, never goes to church, doesn't pray, dark-haired, light-skinned, still single at nearly middle age, never went to confession, eaten meat on Fridays, had impure thoughts, touched myself impurely, ENJOYED the impurities, taken the lord's name in vain, been proud of my accomplishments, said positive things about myself, believe in evolution, science, and technology, thought about suicide, drank coffee (seriously!), watched Three's Company as a kid, read Harry Potter, don't carry a Bible or wear a crucifix, get angry, believe dinosaurs and cave people were real, and don't think being homosexual is evil. It's not enough that I have never killed anyone or been promiscuous or practiced cannibalism. Fine. If I went to heaven I'd probably have a ton of work to do because I'd be about the only one up there, anyway.



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30 Dec 2013, 9:47 pm

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For years I have increasingly developed a profound hatred of organized Christian religion, and whenever anyone starts gushing positively about God or Jesus or whatever it makes me feel very angry. Not just annoyed, ANGRY. I see it all the time on Facebook and I'm constantly removing them and have seriously considered blocking or unfriending anyone who keeps posting them. If someone came up to me and got all Ned Flanders I would want to throw up. Oh, I'm not really an atheist. You can't hate something or someone with a firey passion if they don't really exist. I specially hate how Americans just typically refuse to stop making a huge deal about religion. Why would I want to love a being that has allowed me to suffer for no real reason and let people who lie, cheat, steal, murder and rape get away with it? Why would anyone want to?

Apparently my mother is going to hell because she's catholic and married a man (my father) who isn't, and either used birth control or only did it twice since they only had my brother and me. gee I wonder which is more likely? I don't think she is evil or sinful at all but what I think doesn't matter, I guess. And my brother is going to hell supposedly because he divorced AND married a woman who is divorced. According to Catholic religion that is a BIG, MORTAL sin. My father is one of the sweetest, kindest, most helpful men I know, but no, he's going to writhe in hellfire, too. :(

I'm going to hell for oh so many reasons, including writing this. And for being left-handed, having parents of mixed religion, loves cats, never goes to church, doesn't pray, dark-haired, light-skinned, still single at nearly middle age, never went to confession, eaten meat on Fridays, had impure thoughts, touched myself impurely, ENJOYED the impurities, taken the lord's name in vain, been proud of my accomplishments, said positive things about myself, believe in evolution, science, and technology, thought about suicide, drank coffee (seriously!), watched Three's Company as a kid, read Harry Potter, don't carry a Bible or wear a crucifix, get angry, believe dinosaurs and cave people were real, and don't think being homosexual is evil. It's not enough that I have never killed anyone or been promiscuous or practiced cannibalism. Fine. If I went to heaven I'd probably have a ton of work to do because I'd be about the only one up there, anyway.


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30 Dec 2013, 9:55 pm

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StuffedMarshmallow wrote:
So I'm no expert here, but after reading a couple of threads and posts in the PPR section, it seems like a large portion of aspies enjoy purposely offending people by attacking or slandering religious beliefs.


I sincerely doubt many (if any) Aspies "purposely ... slander... religious beliefs".

Religious beliefs are factually wrong, which would be enough to try to dissuade folks from them. But many religious-political intersection stories, particularly in the US, involve a level of craziness repulsive to my sensibilities. I make that known, particularly given that articulating and debating opinions is one of the main functions of political forums (like PPR).


'religious beliefs are factually wrong'

You do?.. understand friend that all rationality is based on human emotions..

And everything you are saying 'right' now..is only viewed by what you may 'think' is you.. after your emotions cued it...

So in other words nothing you say Is reality..

And ergo..none of it is factual....

ALL is illusion...

So religion is the only truth..that is true...

Think about that one for a few minutes...

if you will or care 'too'..

If you figure it out..

you understand god...
if not you do not understand god..

it's as simple as that...

And yah.. many people here do not understand GOD...

But considering that alexithymia..a disconnect between emotion and language is present in about
85% of autism spectrum disorders..that are professionally diagnosed..that is no surprise at all..

As without that connection it is extremely difficult to understand what GOD is...

As the path there is not mechanical cognition..it is completely social or empathic cognition...

And THIS IS an area that people on the spectrum do have great deficits in ....as per research that currently exists..on this empathy and social cognition issue...

So it is always an extremely interesting challenge for me to spark the real spark of light that IS gOD for anyone here..but what can i say..i like challenges..

NO problem with that in real life at all..as the light of GOD..or whatever one likes to call the essence of the one that is all..is unmistakable for one who walks in it...AND in effect IS THAT LIGHT OF WHA T most westerners describe as GOD..Christ..or the LIGHT..of LOVE..that is LIGHT...

In real life for people who are not currently experiencing challenges with cognitive empathy..and or emotional empathy..IT IS THE MOST CONTAGIOUS THING IN THE WORLD..THAT IS THE LIGHT OF GOD...

BUT AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO 'KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO'..WHICH IS BASICALLY THOSE WHO ARE NOT blessed with that light..

One can only hope or pray..that one day they too..will walk in this eternally now BLISS THAT IS THE LIGHT OF WHAT MOST PEOPLE CALL GOD....

IT'S REAL..IT'S A FORCE..AND IT'S A POWER THAT ONE CAN ACTUALLY FEEL..AND MEASURE IN THEIR LIFE..

BUT WITHOUT IT..the experience of it that is...it simply does not exist...

And yah..that's the saddest part of it 'all' to me....

There have been times i would have given my life to share that with other people...

But nah..i have come to the conclusion..that there are some people..that simply can not share it..for whatever reason..MAYBE karma..only 'GOD' 'knows' that...


Yeah, I know many (more or less) neurotypical philosophers. None of them would buy the "since rationality is emotional, there are no facts ... but GOD" leap, as it makes no sense whatsoever.

Cognitive, not affective, empathy is effected in Aspergers, btw.


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30 Dec 2013, 10:07 pm

Yeah, bring it to the next page, why don't you? :P



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30 Dec 2013, 10:39 pm

Religion does have its role in society and the lives of individuals. It's important to recognize that before criticizing it. To reword another joke: before you criticize God, walk a mile in his shoes because that way, when you do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and you'll have God's shoes.



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30 Dec 2013, 11:25 pm

For most things, you can simply elect NOT to be offended or at least not to show offense.


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31 Dec 2013, 12:23 am

Well, most aspies don't really even know the existence of this website, so we'll never know. But for the ones here, there's more irreligious people than religious people. So typically there will be more posts denouncing God. So, at times for a Christian, it can feel like a lonely fight.