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10 Apr 2014, 9:03 am

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Re: the twitter tag #killallmen

The VoiceForMen guy said “If a group of men – or worse, a group of MRAs – would’ve done something like that, the entire society would have demanded their heads on the sticks. Yet feminists can get away with virtually anything – from making a mockery out of genital mutilation to outright calling for the extermination of the male sex”

He wasn't kidding about making a mockery out of genital mutilation. The feminist excuse for pushing circumcision while considering type I FGM to be a human rights violation is that there's no reduction in sensitivity in 'cut' men. Really? Even if that were true (which it isn't), you've just removed the most sensitive area for a lot of men. In that case, I guess it would be OK to snip their clits off just as long as the rest of their reproductve tract was still sensitive.


There is a difference in magnitutde between cutting off a piece of foreskin on the penis and cutting off the clit. I was circumcised and while I question my parents' reason for it, it's not like it's had any profound impact on my life.


You'll have to enlighten me. My own experience was that until things loosened up, sex was downright disappointing. If I wash too aggressively and dry the skin too much, I lose about half the pleasure. I would have assumed that the difference is large.

You probably don't want to feel like a victim, or dwell on it, but is that a reason to let this happen to boys who can't say no?

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Having said that, many feminists do actually side with men's rights advocates on this issue. There is some validity to the argument even if it is perhaps exaggerated.


They have good reason to, maybe more than they realize. I hear a lot of frustration from WRAs about body-image. As someone who wasn't mutilated as an infant, sex is less visual and more tactile for me than it seems to be for a lot of men. I can't blame men for judging women by their looks if that's the only thing that they aren't too maimed to enjoy.

As far as how it compares to type I FGM, let's use the same standard of "profound impact". I had a bunch of Somali friends (all girls), and while I didn't ask, they implied that some of them had had the procedure. All of them still liked having boyfriends and all of the things that usually come with that, so did it have a more "profound impact" on their lives then circumcision has on boys' lives?

By the way, circumcision does kill:

http://forward.com/articles/192278/prot ... sio/?p=all

People in the US go to jail for clit-snipping (including women), but this is classified as a protected religious practice.

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http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/feminist-hate-explodes-on-twitter-with-killallmen/


man hating feminists currently using twitter which is created by men calling for genocide and mass murder of men some even advocated using men and forced slave labour.


Yeah, there's a lot of hypocrisy that goes on.


No joke. I'd never heard of A Voice For Men until I read this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/11 ... blacklist/

Nothing on that site comes close to the advocacy of genocide on that still-unblocked WRA Twit-ter feed.

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But I think the more rational feminists are trying to distance themselves from this kind of nonsense.


Perhaps they shoud start by making sure that they're using a non-bigoted antivirus. Given the recent dust-up involving the gay-marriage politics of Mozilla's departed CEO, I don't think that it's too much to ask that people stop rewarding unethical organizations.

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Something funny I came across on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nGPV7c ... qa-k2b2uUf

People are crazy. Hopefully the more rational MRA members are trying to distance themselves from this nonsense as well.


I'm going to invoke your "difference in magnitude" standard here. Saying 'I don't care anymore' isn't on the same level as saying 'let's kill men'.

Some choice bits from the latter:

"Stabbing is not my preferred method for #killallmen, TBH. Too messy."

"Archery early tomorrow morning. Preparing for when it’s time to #killallmen."

"Not endorsing that we #killallmen, (some of my best friends, etc), but reducing men to 1 in 4 would solve many of Society's problems."

Some friend.

"I was thinking of foeticide, rather than bumping off 3/4 of the current male population. But then again I've got a little list ..."

When women feel comfortable saying that with their normal Twitter handles, and their face-pics decorating the thread, then it's not just a teensy little minority. They at least have a lot of support and acceptance.


I shouldn't respond to this but you sound angry. Anyway, I think you are misunderstanding my points.

Maybe you have a point of circumcision. I don't really care to talk about it though. It's not an issue to me. And its not really fun to talk about it in public forums.

As for the other stuff, I can't even begin to construct an argument because I know exactly where you are coming from and I know anything I try to say will be met with vigorous counterarguments and it will be dumb. I know the way you think just by the way you write. I don't want to go there. I know where you stand. Point taken.



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10 Apr 2014, 9:17 am

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Can you answer a few questions please.

1. Which books written by mainstream feminists have you read?


what do you mean by mainstream feminists?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 94917.html

23% of women and 16% of men call themselves feminists. I recently read a book called who stole feminism

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2. Do you really believe that all feminists hold a female supremacist position? I ask because the site you linked seems to.


the only feminists i support are sex positive feminists who are not female supremacists. other feminists hold female supremacists views where they label men as evil oppressors and women victims and need to be coddled like children. the site is about feminists threatening people who disagree with them.

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3. Are you aware that your "activism" comes off as trollish and anti-woman?



feminist is not synonymous with woman. equating women with feminists takes agency away from women who don't identify themselves as feminists



edit: that should be 16% of men not 26%


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10 Apr 2014, 9:38 am

Maybe they had horrible fathers and think all men are like that.I had positive male role models as a child and I have a son.How could I hate all men?There are some I definetly don't like,but they are jerks,they would still be jerks if they were female.


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10 Apr 2014, 9:54 am

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Can you answer a few questions please.

1. Which books written by mainstream feminists have you read?


what do you mean by mainstream feminists?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 94917.html

23% of women and 26% of men call themselves feminists. I recently read a book called who stole feminism

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2. Do you really believe that all feminists hold a female supremacist position? I ask because the site you linked seems to.


the only feminists i support are sex positive feminists who are not female supremacists. other feminists hold female supremacists views where they label men as evil oppressors and women victims and need to be coddled like children. the site is about feminists threatening people who disagree with them.

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3. Are you aware that your "activism" comes off as trollish and anti-woman?



feminist is not synonymous with woman. equating women with feminists takes agency away from women who don't identify themselves as feminists


I've paid attention to feminists all my life, and most of them did not have a female supremacy agenda. Germaine Greer talks about the ways that our institutions condition men and women to act in self destructive ways, and she has never suggested that women are inherently somehow superior to men, or that they deserve all of the goodies that society has to offer, while men deserve the scraps. Consider the possibility that much of the slander you hear against such feminists might be a form of ideological warfare aimed at deflecting legitimate institutional critique.

While there are certainly feminists with a supremacist agenda, I think you guys wildly overstate their significance (if you're living in Sweden, please disregard). Keep in mind that sock puppets are common, and might be responsible for at least some of the anti-feminist feeling that is developing.



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10 Apr 2014, 10:40 am

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feminist is not synonymous with woman. equating women with feminists takes agency away from women who don't identify themselves as feminists


You do realize that feminism in its basic bare sense is simply women standing up for their basic human rights, such as right for safety, right to learn and create, right to be free.

What you and other (mostly) Americans mean by feminism is another story and I have no idea what you mean by it. True, there are various groups with different agendas, but that doesn't mean much.

In the core every woman is a feminist just as every human is a humanist. And every decent man is a feminist

You show me a woman who isnt a feminist. Is she for an equal education? Equal pay? Right not to be sold out for marriage when you are 6yo? For a freedom to go down the street while dressed like a slut?

What are you talking about, sephardic-male? What kind of feminism do you have in mind? You should state your definition of the specific ideology you are talking about at the start of every discussion.



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10 Apr 2014, 10:47 am

cannotthinkoff wrote:
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feminist is not synonymous with woman. equating women with feminists takes agency away from women who don't identify themselves as feminists


You do realize that feminism in its basic bare sense is simply women standing up for their basic human rights, such as right for safety, right to learn and create, right to be free.

What you and other (mostly) Americans mean by feminism is another story and I have no idea what you mean by it. True, there are various groups with different agendas, but that doesn't mean much.

In the core every woman is a feminist just as every human is a humanist. And every decent man is a feminist

You show me a woman who isnt a feminist. Is she for an equal education? Equal pay? Right not to be sold out for marriage when you are 6yo? For a freedom to go down the street while dressed like a slut?

What are you talking about, sephardic-male? What kind of feminism do you have in mind? You should state your definition of the specific ideology you are talking about at the start of every discussion.




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10 Apr 2014, 11:15 am

I am constantly amazed by how men perceive feminists. Feminism and Misandry are far and wide apart.



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10 Apr 2014, 11:33 am

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10 Apr 2014, 11:58 am

I'll have you know, I look a lot hotter than your depiction of a feminist.



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10 Apr 2014, 12:00 pm

Hey Seph, I am unable to see your posting history. Please change your settings if you want people to see this.



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10 Apr 2014, 12:28 pm

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Oh so men had to invent a new word to justify their own hatred and bigotry

OK, but why can't a person whine about stuff? I too don't want to be invited for a coffee in a lift! That does sound quite horrible



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10 Apr 2014, 12:38 pm

seph, do you agree that there's a widespread cultural sexism against women? or do you thing that they compare in magnitude with those faced by men and that does not impact an individual greatly or is just something everyone has to deal with?

and also, do you not care that for instance some people don't really tell apart WRM and "feminism"? so before you start discussing things I strongly suggest you clarify them what you mean by feminism (I am still not sure! see, i have aspergers so some picture of a hipster vs a strong woman of color doesnt say much to me)



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10 Apr 2014, 12:51 pm

I think if Seph came across some sex possitive feminists he might change his perception, It sorta has changed mine. They werent the kind that chants the male is evil bla bla bla all men are rapists or garbage like that but were ....actually...very friendly and down to earth.


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Oh so men had to invent a new word to justify their own hatred and bigotry

OK, but why can't a person whine about stuff? I too don't want to be invited for a coffee in a lift! That does sound quite horrible


being invited for a coffee is normal human interaction. if you are and not interested say no and move on. criticizing feminism which is professional victimhood is not bigotry.


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seph, do you agree that there's a widespread cultural sexism against women? or do you thing that they compare in magnitude with those faced by men and that does not impact an individual greatly or is just something everyone has to deal with?


the culture of sexism is directed at men not women in the developed world


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10 Apr 2014, 1:08 pm

sephardic-male wrote:

the culture of sexism is directed at men not women in the developed world


"I'm still a virgin as an adult. Ergo, all men are oppressed by the matriarchy."