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14 Aug 2014, 12:38 pm

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As I already stated, with white flight years before, so went most businesses that provided jobs, and now most businesses won't relocate to the inner city. What job openings there are are so few that most people in inner city neighborhoods can't expect to become employed.

People rise out of poverty fairly regularly. It aint easy but doable.

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The business community has to be willing to do their part in order to raise people in poor communities up, and that means to overcome their prejudices and relocate to the places they and their predecessors had deserted.

They're not going to open businesses in neighborhoods were vandalism and armed robbery are not the exception but the norm. I don't blame them.


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14 Aug 2014, 1:03 pm

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As I already stated, with white flight years before, so went most businesses that provided jobs, and now most businesses won't relocate to the inner city. What job openings there are are so few that most people in inner city neighborhoods can't expect to become employed.

People rise out of poverty fairly regularly. It aint easy but doable.

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The business community has to be willing to do their part in order to raise people in poor communities up, and that means to overcome their prejudices and relocate to the places they and their predecessors had deserted.

They're not going to open businesses in neighborhoods were vandalism and armed robbery are not the exception but the norm. I don't blame them.


Sure people regularly raise themselves out of poverty, but it's much more possible with opportunities of jobs, which are lacking in the inner city.
And as far as businesses avoiding poor neighborhoods because of the crime rate - it was business that had created the situation in the first place by deserting those neighborhoods when blacks came in. They would be demonstrating genuine courage and community spirit by relocating in the inner city in order to give the people there a hand up. My friend who was the best man at my wedding runs a business in a bad neighborhood in Spokane, and guess what, he has never had any problem with crime, other than occasionally running off the random crack head. So, yes, running a business in a poor neighborhood is doable - but most businesses don't, coming up with one excuse after another to justify their prejudice.


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14 Aug 2014, 1:16 pm

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The business community has to be willing to do their part in order to raise people in poor communities up, and that means to overcome their prejudices and relocate to the places they and their predecessors had deserted.


That has absolutely no financial value for most businesses that would be measurable within a time frame that would keep stock values rising.

The concept of the long term benefit of the shareholders has turned into the benefit of the shareholders for the next dozen or so quarters (or less, when the CEO/CFO/COO gets bonuses based on quarterly metrics).


But does everything have to do with just profit? Henry Ford used to speak proudly about how he gave back to America by providing jobs with good wages, and was still able to get rich.


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14 Aug 2014, 1:30 pm

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Buy canned goods at a natural foods store,chemical free.I can't eat MSG,kicks the IBS in big time and I think possibly I may have an issue with nitrates.The best way to do beans is to buy dry and use a crock pot.Pintos and Anasazi beans are great.Ive only ate fava beans once and I became a methane generator,won't eat those again,they were delicious but the after effects!! !!Hummus is sold here,even in podunk Arkansas.I like it,but I don't like garbanzos on their own.I grow lots of field peas here,nothing is better than fresh purple hulls,a slice of onion,and homemade cornbread.Maybe some fried okra and a slice of ripe tomato on the side.


It's just easier to buy frozen.



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14 Aug 2014, 1:39 pm

That's true but the taste is never the same.I like shelling peas,it's very soothing.I spread an old sheet out on the floor to catch the hulls,the use them as mulch.I watch tv and shell away.You can also harvest "snaps" off the peas and use them like green beans.I really like them with a smoked ham hock but usually there are nitrates added to those :(


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14 Aug 2014, 1:53 pm

My Aunt cannot have MSG she is incredibly allergic, even worse than I with nitrates.



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14 Aug 2014, 2:04 pm

They can hide MSG under another name.That's one reason I like my own food or locally grown.
http://www.rense.com/general92/hidename.html


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14 Aug 2014, 2:31 pm

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Two things I've noticed:

- The entire Western-World seems to embrace hedonism and overindulgence
- Americans have a higher disposable income than anyone else


Of course people embrace hedonism. What else is there? It has been that way for a long time. There are many phrases for it, YOLO is just the newest. Memento mori (remember dying). Carpe diem (take the day). Nunc est bibendum! (Now is time to drink) The last two are from Horace so probably BC.
Not sure it's just income either. The Japanese, French etc are wealthy enough to become obese if they wanted to, but they probably have a national food tradition that just happens to have healthier food. I think Americans eat much more meat compared to Europeans.


Hedonism is for the weak, and both France and Japan have much higher prices (and much higher taxes) than the US. Phrases like "memento mori" and "carpe diem" (tattoos with the latter are the ultimate cliche) probably tell you to do something with your life, rather than getting drunk every weekend and feasting on unhealthy food.


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14 Aug 2014, 2:37 pm

^ No cobbler for you. :D


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14 Aug 2014, 3:01 pm

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As I already stated, with white flight years before, so went most businesses that provided jobs, and now most businesses won't relocate to the inner city. What job openings there are are so few that most people in inner city neighborhoods can't expect to become employed.

People rise out of poverty fairly regularly. It aint easy but doable.

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The business community has to be willing to do their part in order to raise people in poor communities up, and that means to overcome their prejudices and relocate to the places they and their predecessors had deserted.

They're not going to open businesses in neighborhoods were vandalism and armed robbery are not the exception but the norm. I don't blame them.


Sure people regularly raise themselves out of poverty, but it's much more possible with opportunities of jobs, which are lacking in the inner city.
And as far as businesses avoiding poor neighborhoods because of the crime rate - it was business that had created the situation in the first place by deserting those neighborhoods when blacks came in. They would be demonstrating genuine courage and community spirit by relocating in the inner city in order to give the people there a hand up. My friend who was the best man at my wedding runs a business in a bad neighborhood in Spokane, and guess what, he has never had any problem with crime, other than occasionally running off the random crack head. So, yes, running a business in a poor neighborhood is doable - but most businesses don't, coming up with one excuse after another to justify their prejudice.

If businesses left the inner cities it's because they were driven out by crime or lack of revenue being made in those locations.
I know the concept is alien to you but a business's first reason for being in business is to make money.


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14 Aug 2014, 3:10 pm

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As I already stated, with white flight years before, so went most businesses that provided jobs, and now most businesses won't relocate to the inner city. What job openings there are are so few that most people in inner city neighborhoods can't expect to become employed.

People rise out of poverty fairly regularly. It aint easy but doable.

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The business community has to be willing to do their part in order to raise people in poor communities up, and that means to overcome their prejudices and relocate to the places they and their predecessors had deserted.

They're not going to open businesses in neighborhoods were vandalism and armed robbery are not the exception but the norm. I don't blame them.


Sure people regularly raise themselves out of poverty, but it's much more possible with opportunities of jobs, which are lacking in the inner city.
And as far as businesses avoiding poor neighborhoods because of the crime rate - it was business that had created the situation in the first place by deserting those neighborhoods when blacks came in. They would be demonstrating genuine courage and community spirit by relocating in the inner city in order to give the people there a hand up. My friend who was the best man at my wedding runs a business in a bad neighborhood in Spokane, and guess what, he has never had any problem with crime, other than occasionally running off the random crack head. So, yes, running a business in a poor neighborhood is doable - but most businesses don't, coming up with one excuse after another to justify their prejudice.

If businesses left the inner cities it's because they were driven out by crime or lack of revenue being made in those locations.
I know the concept is alien to you but a business's first reason for being in business is to make money.


And business owners aren't going to be influenced by the very human fault of racism? Are you saying the change in complexion of the neighborhood had nothing to do with it? I suppose business people are demigods, so much better than the rest of us. :P


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14 Aug 2014, 3:20 pm

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I eat canned fava beans and hommos. :(


I ate hommos once. It was awful.
To be fair I did not know I was supposed to eat it with bread, I just gobbed it down on its own. It's pretty rare here, I think they are now selling it because of immigrants from the Mediterranean.
But why do you eat it when you don't like it?



I like it; you people just got me worried about the preservatives, yes they do have preservatives.

Frozen beans don't taste as good tho; maybe glassed products are better?



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14 Aug 2014, 3:41 pm

Talking about getting fat, things like THIS make people fat:

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Especially THIS one:

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(No, I couldn't finish it alone, not even half of it)



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14 Aug 2014, 4:05 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I eat canned fava beans and hommos. :(


I ate hommos once. It was awful.
To be fair I did not know I was supposed to eat it with bread, I just gobbed it down on its own. It's pretty rare here, I think they are now selling it because of immigrants from the Mediterranean.
But why do you eat it when you don't like it?



I like it; you people just got me worried about the preservatives, yes they do have preservatives.

Frozen beans don't taste as good tho; maybe glassed products are better?


I don't think you need to be too worried about preservatives, unless you have an allergy towards them or some other adverse reaction.
Freezing seems to make starchy products worse. Potatoes that have been frozen are horrible except in the case of fries (not sure why). I think the food preservation of canned and glassed products is about the same: sometimes they add preservatives, sometimes they don't. I have cans/jars of beans and pea soup and red cabbage that contain no preservatives and can be kept for years if left unopened. They even found canned food in a 19th century shipwreck and it was still fine.

Those pictures of food you posted, the only thing I recognize are the fries and something that looks like a salad. No idea what all the other stuff is. One of the worst things over here is kapsalon, which is fries + shoarma + lettuce + cheese + garlic sauce, all that put in the oven. Everything gets soggy and horrible. I had one once, couldn't finish it because it was just too much.



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14 Aug 2014, 4:10 pm

I found a nice picture of kapsalon (which means hair desser salon because someone over there asked for this combination first) with translation:


- Lots of garlic sauce
- Lukewarm and old lettuce
- Lots of shoarma
- Wet and soggy fries
- King-size tray


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14 Aug 2014, 4:31 pm

I had no idea there are European dishes out there that include on shawarma; cheese with shawama sounds odd to me, and fries and garlic sauce are only used with the chicken shawarma.

They put tahini sauce with meat shawama sandwich over here (and vegetables).

http://www.sabmarket.com/DSCF2115.JPG
Left meat, right chicken.