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Both the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents were completely avoidable from a law enforcement perspective. In neither case were the Branch Davidians or the Weavers posing a threat to anyone that would justify the level of scrutiny or the raids that rained down on them.
In the Weaver case the feds even admitted to f*****g up.

And Randy Weaver admitted to his lawyer that he had caused the whole situation because of his paranoia and hate.

/\ You just don't get it, do you?
Well, I think you DO get it since we've been over this very same topic a time or two before but your partisan view of all things won't allow you to get it.

I have conceded that the deaths at Ruby Ridge and Waco were tragic, and that the government had gone overboard in those cases. But just the same, people with ideas that are so insane that threaten others are more likely to come to a bad end. How is it that you don't recognize that?

^^^
Actually, I should have said, people with insane ideas who act on them are more likely to come to bad ends.

Honestly, the way incident is described it doesn't sound like there is any way the officer was justified in his shooting. He shot Brown multiple times and supposedly in the back as pursued him and then when Brown turned around after being hit. His friend and eye witnesses say he put his hands up after getting shot in the back and turning before the cop fired several more shots killing him.

Aside from allegations, what were these threats to others?

I have already mentioned how he had threatened the lives of his neighbors for either their less than right wing politics, or because they were of mixed white/Native American blood, and then threatened the local sheriff when the neighbors complained. And as I have already stated, the Weavers were hardly the only fanatical racists who had moved into north Idaho - among them were the Aryan Nations, who in turn spawned the Order and the Phineas Priesthood, both of which had conducted bank robberies to fund what they saw as an apocalyptic race war against ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government). One member of the Order who flipped on his buddies, and testified for the prosecution was that same asshat who later shot two people while on a hunt for Jews recently in Missouri. So yes, Randy Weaver and the people he was ideologically associated with in fact had a proven track record of murder and violence, and they had created an air of tension in the whole region for years.

Some witnesses appear to differ and the cop will have his own version. I think he probably lost his temper with the punk but it's possible he could slide given the right findings. Witnesses have been known to lie and be unreliable. The conviction rate in Detroit is low because many urban blacks won't implicate or convict each other. It's something that black prosecutors have openly complained about.

by pretty much every account tho the police officer is pursuing Brown and his friend as they ran away so it is tough to for me to come up with a scenario the justifies the cop shooting brown multiple times. I just believe somebody that has already been shot would turn turn around charge at a cop with a gun, Brown would of had to be suicidal to do that and I just don't believe that.

My theory is basically Brown roughed up the cop and the cop shot him in retaliation as he ran away not out of fear for his life. I think the cop should be drug tested as well, I'd be very interested in seeing whether or he took steroids which a shocking amount of police do. I think it is going to be pretty hard to prove Wilson criminally liable tho but they'll probably get them them civil court. Wilson being acquitted or not being charged will make things get really ugly I predict.

Where did you find out about the threats to neighbors?
Where there ever charges filed?
Got a link?

BTW; being an evil hard hearted conservaive I already knew what ZOG stands for.

Most vocal libertarians? Such as? (remember, 'most' actually means something)

Bill, I've written off a lot of stupid, ignorant, offensive, nasty things you've said over the years because I generally thought you were an OK guy that maybe just wasn't too up on things and took the team sport aspect of politics a bit too far, but as you may have noticed recently, that policy has changed, and posts like this are a large part of the reason why. You refer to Rand Paul as "my hero" when I've never particularly posted in his favor, smeared me by inference, and posted yet more garbage only confirming your complete lack of brain function when it comes to politics, and let's be honest, most things not concerned with movies and celebrities.
Rand Paul not only issued the strongest condemnation of the events not just in Ferguson but nationwide of any sitting member of congress, but has been a vocal voice for criminal justice reform in defiance of his party for some time, causing even Al Sharpton to praise him, to say nothing of reaching across the aisle to Cory Booker on restoration of voting rights, which would hurt the GOP but is the right thing to do. Who on the left is standing up to Obama's surveillance state, to militarized policing, to the outrage that is civil forfeiture, etc? Much like on the topic of guns, you have no idea what you're talking about here, and yet blithely wade in spouting untruths and slander, too stubborn to consider the possibility that you've been mislead or that others might be better informed, too arrogant to believe that others might know their best interests better than you do, too partisan to look at the other point of view.

Rand Paul was far-and-away the strongest opponent of renewing the PATRIOT Act:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSDBswx90Cs

Well, I'll apologize for calling Rand Paul "your hero." And I actually had not been aware I had written "most libertarians" until I reread what I had stated in your post. I'll concede maybe not most Libertarians, but the most vocal have been slow to respond. And I stand by my charge that Paul responded to Ferguson only after people had began wondering out loud why Libertarians like Paul speak out about government overreach, but had not uttered a word about Ferguson. I am happy he has since.

I'm sure links could be found about how Weaver had threatened his neighbors, but in all honesty, I'm going by memory. Ruby Ridge, where this had transpired, is not many miles away from where I live on the other side of the state line, and accounts about Randy Weaver and his less than cordial relations with his neighbors were covered non-stop by the local news stations, and the local paper the Spokesman Review, so I recall it all very well.
And never once have I ever accused you of being a racist.

No specific charge, then.; just hearsay and innuendo along the same lines of Weaver being ex-special forces and having a huge cache of illegal weapons at his place.
Mmmm hmmmm...........

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