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13 Mar 2007, 1:09 pm

Well to me, I may find certain things relpusive. But what does that say about the morality of it?

IMHO: ZILCH!


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13 Mar 2007, 2:01 pm

Well that's one of those things that's a matter of opinion. I'm straight myself, but I am open minded enough to realise that gays and bi's are just as human as I am, and deserve an equal chance at life..... And that's honestly one of the things I dislike about organized religion, it spreads hate under the guise of compassion. More specifically, the popular interpretation of Islam and Christianity. Although, both of those religions are largely subject to interpretation, so one might say that neither Christianity or Islam are against gays if they were to interpret their respective religion in a way other than what most of society does..... I mean the bible has been interpretted wrongly before, to attempt to justify the holy wars, witch trials, halucaust, slavery, female bondage, all sorts of nasty things.



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13 Mar 2007, 2:27 pm

snake321 wrote:
Well that's one of those things that's a matter of opinion. I'm straight myself, but I am open minded enough to realise that gays and bi's are just as human as I am, and deserve an equal chance at life..... And that's honestly one of the things I dislike about organized religion, it spreads hate under the guise of compassion. More specifically, the popular interpretation of Islam and Christianity. Although, both of those religions are largely subject to interpretation, so one might say that neither Christianity or Islam are against gays if they were to interpret their respective religion in a way other than what most of society does..... I mean the bible has been interpretted wrongly before, to attempt to justify the holy wars, witch trials, halucaust, slavery, female bondage, all sorts of nasty things.

Brilliantly spoken, snake321, I totally agree!
I myself would never love another man, but who am I (or religion) to say gays do wrong?



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13 Mar 2007, 3:10 pm

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I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but to me the concept of two men engaging in homosexual activity seems very unclean to me. (I cant help it if my religion says that is wrong!)


Do you eat pork?



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13 Mar 2007, 5:38 pm

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The bible is subject to interpretation, as with the koran ....

the Koran is NOT subject to interpretation. It is the "infallible word of god".

Anyway, back on topic, I don't care if anyone is homosexual, just so long as its not in my face, the same as I don't want hetero couples exhibiting in my face.


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13 Mar 2007, 5:44 pm

I don't think people should marry their cat.


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13 Mar 2007, 5:52 pm

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I don't think people should marry their cat.

:lol: - I wish I had said that


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13 Mar 2007, 6:35 pm

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:
the Koran is NOT subject to interpretation. It is the "infallible word of god".


Much of the Qu'ran is somewhat vague, even in the original Arabic text.

Some time ago I was pointed to this site, which aims to point out flaws in the traditional religious arguments over homosexuality.

I believe that government-sanctioned marriage is unnecessary and flawed. I believe that the law was instated with certain benefits with the belief that both parties would raise offspring, but even with heterosexual couples this is not always so. It is not necessary in this day and age for a couple to, or be able to be able to produce offspring.

I believe if the government is to sanction marriage, they must do so for all types of relationships and for all types of beliefs: heterosexual, homosexual, and polygamous. What consenting adults do is their own business, and if they need the benefits, then they all need to have the same opportunities. Anything further is pretty much a matter of religious debate.



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13 Mar 2007, 6:46 pm

DejaQ wrote:
Some time ago I was pointed to this site, ....

:lol: no, God doesn't hate shrimp, just like He doesn't hate eagles, He just doesn't want me to get food poisoning, because He loves me.

Thanks. I hadn't ever heard of "God Hates Shrimp" - rofl.


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13 Mar 2007, 7:30 pm

pinder2 wrote:
I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but to me the concept of two men engaging in homosexual activity seems very unclean to me. (I cant help it if my religion says that is wrong!)


The quote is:

"A man shall not lay with a man as he lays with woman." is the verse I belive

Being bi myself I know this statement is incorrect.

WHY?

Homosexuals cannot have sex the way hetros do!

I'd explain more deeply but this isn't the adult forum.


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13 Mar 2007, 7:55 pm

Flagg wrote:
pinder2 wrote:
I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but to me the concept of two men engaging in homosexual activity seems very unclean to me. (I cant help it if my religion says that is wrong!)


The quote is:

"A man shall not lay with a man as he lays with woman." is the verse I belive

Being bi myself I know this statement is incorrect.

WHY?

Homosexuals cannot have sex the way hetros do!

I'd explain more deeply but this isn't the adult forum.


eh, in the end, it's the myth of religion vs the fact of economics and equal rights.



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13 Mar 2007, 8:37 pm

Flagg wrote:
The quote is:

"A man shall not lay with a man as he lays with woman." is the verse I belive

Being bi myself I know this statement is incorrect.

WHY?

Homosexuals cannot have sex the way hetros do!

I'd explain more deeply but this isn't the adult forum.


:lol:


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14 Mar 2007, 11:51 am

Ive been brought up and been told that homosexual activity is wrong. Sorry but thats all I can say.



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14 Mar 2007, 4:40 pm

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Ive been brought up and been told that homosexual activity is wrong. Sorry but thats all I can say.

And now it's time to believe you yourself think is right. You've got brains on your own, use them.



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14 Mar 2007, 4:44 pm

One reason that I support gay marriage is that many gays long to have a family. Under a societal view that only allows straight couples to marry and have families, gays will pretend to be straight, try to convince themselves that they're straight, and marry and have families.

We have seen what happens -- the former Governor of New Jersey, the former Christian Conservative leader. One's biological nature overpowers denial.

I would much rather that gay people marry each other and are honest about their sexual preference. I do not want my 12-year-old daughter, in 15 years, to fall in love with and marry a self-denying gay man. That is much less likely to happen if gays are free to express and formalize their love with same-sex partners.

So put me in the camp of those wholeheartedly supporting gay marriage.



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20 Mar 2007, 3:06 am

Denying Gay Marriage is homophobic. That's all there is to it.

In most democratic countries, there is a strong separation of church and state. Or at least their should be. The Church shouldn't be making up laws about the proper way to cross streets, and the State be telling me in which direction I should sit when I pray to Alunga-Biznorbia.

If we say that the Marriage is a religious thing between a man and a woman, so be it. We can just find another religion that doesn't think the same way. Oh right, those faiths are wrong. This can be shown because our glorious leader in the hat that is totally not silly says they are.

It's not just some frivolous thing we're talking about here. Straight partnerships are recognized by law, and they get insurance coverage for their partners, and tax breaks. So it suddenly becomes something completely different when it's two men or women?

Oh that's right. I keep forgetting that it's wrong, because it's 'icky' and 'weird'. And it's wrong for them to choose to be this way. And in the unlikely event that they aren't choosing (the guy in the pointy hat assures me they're choosing this), then for their own good, we need to cure them of the gay.

We can't let people decide for themselves what's right and wrong, because if they do that, then they'll get it wrong!


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