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18 Oct 2014, 1:30 am

it seems i'm not the only one who's heard brit accents at shooting ranges. :chin:

there's also a Birmingham in Alabama (duh), a Gloucester, Manchester, Dover and Ipswich in Massachusetts, another Manchester in California. My parents used to live on a "Bath" street. And there's a Weymouth in New Jersey and, those aren't even the ones that have "New" slapped on them.

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18 Oct 2014, 1:41 am

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2. I'd be willing to bet that most brits have heard of Chicago. I too have no idea why shitcago would be in the lyrics of that "song" unless there is some other localised joke about it that the viewers of this video aren't privy to.

I can assure you that brits at all social levels don't give enough of a shiny turd about American cities to include them in songs, Chicago or otherwise.

I wonder why then, that there are so many brits that have immigrated to the US and/or take holiday over here. Brit accents are heard quite often over here in places I wouldnt have expected, not the least our shooting range. That, and I've met a lot of them while in the UK that know the US surprisingly well.
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It would be equivalent to a bus of Americans singing about Leicester or Bradford in England. Not going to happen.

We have a Leicester in upstate NY and a Bradford in PA.

Where Im from I get a lot of immigrants from South Africa Australia, New Zealand and from Great Britain!

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18 Oct 2014, 1:49 am

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Where Im from I get a lot of immigrants from South Africa Australia, New Zealand and from Great Britain!

We have a lot of people from the Europe and from everywhere else in the world. There are cultural enclaves, but generally everyone kinda blends. At least where I live, but Canada's a big country.

I still think I heard a woman with an Irish accent towards the end.

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18 Oct 2014, 2:12 am

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I can assure you that brits at all social levels don't give enough of a shiny turd about American cities to include them in songs, Chicago or otherwise.

It would be equivalent to a bus of Americans singing about Leicester or Bradford in England. Not going to happen.

There's this crazy thing called "Wikipedia":

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"I Used to Work in Chicago" is a drinking song. It was written by songwriter and entertainer Larry Vincent. The earliest printed date for the song is March 1945 in the underground mimeographed songbook Songs of the Century. Many of the lyrics are considered humorous because of the oblique sexual references. The song is often chanted by various British university sports teams.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Used_t ... in_Chicago

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18 Oct 2014, 5:41 pm

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You often in the UK hear people in public singing John Lennon or Arctic Monkeys songs? I don't. Not even under the influence of heavy alcohol consumption.

Er, yes, actually. Not those ones, but right now drunkenly belting out Arctic Monkeys songs is part of our culture. AM is like Definitely Maybe

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Sounds to me like they're working-class southern Englanders, with the leader putting on a fake Irish accent. Definitely British.

Oh come on Walrus, you dissapoint me. You know as well as i do if someone on a bus in the UK is going to start a group sing-a-long, especially working class lads, 99 times out of a hundred its going to be football (USA-soccer) themed.

Given the context of the song, if they are British, my guess is they are putting on a poorly articulated American accent, hence no-one can tell where the hell they come from.

If i had been on that bus though i would have struggled to resist giving him a fat lip.

So this is the one time, then?

And ofc many football chants are so oblique that nobody can tell they're football songs. "Five German Bombers" is a prime example. Football teams (which this group would appear to be) often have their own drinking songs, usually about female anatomy, that they will sing on the way home from away matches.

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20 Oct 2014, 2:10 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv7INkiQ41M[/youtube]

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20 Oct 2014, 9:42 am

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thomas81 wrote:

There's this crazy thing called "Wikipedia":

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Used_t ... in_Chicago

Thank you! I hope that puts to rest the absurd sub-topic that this happened in the U.S. or Canada just because the song has a Chicago reference. Why the song got adopted by British university sports teams is a mystery all its' own. Given that it has been adopted this way- and that Eddy Veder of Pearl Jam has a cover version all his own- I think the idea that it was intended to annoy feminists should be put to rest also. That just looks like the misperception of whoever took this video. One woman got annoyed. That's it.

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20 Oct 2014, 2:41 pm

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What about "New York City" by John Lennon? Or "Fake Tales Of San Francisco" by Arctic Monkeys?

Sounds to me like they're working-class southern Englanders, with the leader putting on a fake Irish accent. Definitely British.

Actually it sounds more like stoke accent. Not so Southern, nothing about that accent sounds particularly southern.

I think it make no difference though it is definitely British. The public transport is recognizably British.

I was in Manchester recently, and you get the same sexist, racist and homophobic chant in ruby league, rugby union, and football crowd on public transport all the time. South or North.

I'm Sorry Thomas, you can't tell accent apart that is not Canadian.

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20 Oct 2014, 2:48 pm

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There is a tradition of chanting songs in for sport team supporter, they run out of thing to chart.

I bet many rugby union fans don't know that "Swing Low Sweet Chariot" is African American spiritual music.

The tradition of singing at games was started when a school choir, who had been practicing it sung it at an England game in the late 80s. It is also not a coincidence that Chris Oti a black player was making his debut.

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20 Oct 2014, 11:25 pm

I think thomas81 shot himself in the foot after finding out he was wrong and the guys were indeed British! Anywho if rad fems had their way Earth would be like Gazorbazorp!Men and women would be segregated for the better good! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXSJ2oREKUM[/youtube]

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21 Oct 2014, 3:13 am

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I think thomas81 shot himself in the foot after finding out he was wrong and the guys were indeed British!

Not really.

1- The video provides no conclusive proof where they're from so we're none the wiser. Even if the video happened in the UK it doesn't mean they're from the UK.
2- I don't care.

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21 Oct 2014, 5:04 pm

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1- The video provides no conclusive proof where they're from so we're none the wiser. Even if the video happened in the UK it doesn't mean they're from the UK.
2- I don't care.

3 - you would feign disdain if they were American.

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21 Oct 2014, 5:11 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

1- The video provides no conclusive proof where they're from so we're none the wiser. Even if the video happened in the UK it doesn't mean they're from the UK.
2- I don't care.

3 - you would feign disdain if they were American.

Thomas has disdain for all things American, Israeli, and conservative.

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21 Oct 2014, 5:31 pm

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1- The video provides no conclusive proof where they're from so we're none the wiser. Even if the video happened in the UK it doesn't mean they're from the UK.
2- I don't care.

3 - you would feign disdain if they were American.

Thomas has disdain for all things American, Israeli, and conservative.

I'm not a conservative, but personally I get the impression that victimhood is attractive to him, and no I don't think there is too much a feminist victimhood narrative, the premise of the OP is flawed.

However true freedom fighter refuse to live as victims, even when they are victimized. His kind of politics, is a lifestyle and identity of victimhood, so if there is an opportunity for resolution, it is more import to prove how much of a victim you are. You teach your children that they are victims, and who to resent. In the end you wind up is a worse state than you would otherwise be, but you are a righteous victim nevertheless.

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21 Oct 2014, 5:34 pm

To clarify I agree the OPs point that the "patriarchy" is a over simplistic and flawed concept. I think anybody who lumps all problem under a vague concept, is just being lazy.

Reality is it is not just men that enforce these memes and it never has been.

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21 Oct 2014, 6:12 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

1- The video provides no conclusive proof where they're from so we're none the wiser. Even if the video happened in the UK it doesn't mean they're from the UK.
2- I don't care.

3 - you would feign disdain if they were American.

Thomas has disdain for all things American, Israeli, and conservative.

^ Precisely! My vanity would never allow me to be the professional victim that some people are enthralled with being......

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