Can Homosexuality and the Christian Faith Exist Together?

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The church has changed ceremony's and (small t) traditions, but it has never changed core doctrine. It is impossible to do that. If it did, it would lose all credibility. How could the church claim to have any authority if it could just change with whatever the popular opinion was at the time?

Do you claim to be Catholic? You say you go to church, but it seems you clearly don't recognize the authority of the church or try to follow some of it's core doctrine and teachings. I'm not trying to be hostile toward you but I'm curious as to why? If you don't believe it's the pillar of truth and you're trying to follow God's word, why bother?

Ah.. the eternal gall...

A Universe of billions of stars and trillions of planets and SO MUCH MORE.

And a tiny speck of dust of one human being ruling the entire Universe and GOD too, by suggesting 'they' rule GOD by suggesting GOD cannot do what GOD wants to do.

The real so-called 'JESUS', WOULD REALLY BE PISSED ABOUT THIS ILLUSORY PROMOTION MADE by the psychopathic leaning Emperor Constantine and his Catholic Cohort leaders to change a so-called humble Yogi leaning dude and teacher into a soldier GOD of the Universe to expand the Roman Empire by controlling the herds of folks with more illusory fears and promises that at that time was basically a patch of backyard dirt, or smaller than that in relative comparison to what humans see of it with the aided eye today.

Seriously, I played Tennis with my Monsignor Mike Church guy, and he graduated in the top 10 in his class of almost 400, like me three years later, at NUMBER 11.

He's a religious scholar too, and he skips right over the 'dum' parts of the bible, as even promoted as an option in the mass 'book', every Sunday, now.

Oh, 'that' Church is getting smarter by the week, with the New Pope's delegated rule.

In fact, a homophobe 'queer looking deacon', got to spoutin' off about the 'evils of homo behavior', and I gave my Monsignor Priest Mike a 'peace' of my mind, by email, as he wasn't present that day, and he then went on to admonish the deacon and it only happened one more time with another homophobe deacon, when I snuffed that truly 'evil' behavior out for good that time when Mike was absent, with his help, listening to my RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION AGAIN, AND ACTING TO yes, SNUFF OUT DEACON GENERATED HOMOPHOBE BEHAVIOR, IN MY CHURCH FOR GOOD, to date, months and months later.

HE EVEN GOT TO LISTEN TO THIS SONG, AS I MADE IT THE ALTERNATE HOMILY FOR THAT SUNDAY, just for Mike.



I AIN'T SCARED, BABY, OF NO big bad Catholic Church, and Just like my Grandfather,

I MAKE CHANGE HAPPEN, AT LEAST, IN 'THE only Catholic CHURCH', IN MY LOCAL AREA.

And by the way, I documented all the email traffic on my blog, to PROVE IT HAPPENED, IN CASE ANY OF THE CONGREGATION WANTED TO KNOW HOW THE HOMOPHOBE BEHAVIOR GOT SNUFFED OUT, BY ME AND MONSIGNOR MIKE.

I'M KINDA like the 'Forest Gump' of the Catholic Church in my area, like my Grandaddy2..

In fact, my mama told me that I was probably him (MY GRAND-DADDY, not 'Forest Gump') reincarnated, when I got all those life threatening illnesses, as punishment for leaving the Catholic Church, IN MY Grand-daddy's lifetime. It was too hard for her to realize GOD isn't always fair in human terms but I never got mad at GOD for giving me the worst pain known to mankind, medically documented as worse than crucifixion for five long years, per all waking hours THAT IS type two Trigeminal Neuralgia, as you see baby, I faced GOD face to face, and found out tHere IS NO escaping GOD, so I might as well grin and bear GOD, as is, all PAIN OR NOT.

Ah, the 'evils' of fundamentalist ways of thinking are both 'stupid' and cruel.

GOD IS FAIR ENOUGH AND NOT FAIR ENOUGH FOR ME.

I ACCEPT ALL THE CHANGES AND UNFAIRNESS OF GOD, AS GOD GIFTS ME with BOTH UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR GOD, AND ALL OTHERS, too, NO MATTER HOW 'STUPID' THEY ARE in behaviors WHEN THE FLESH AND BLOOD HITS THE REAL ROADS OF LIFE.

I truly do not like human ignorance, but not the humans who do it, as THEY SIMPLY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.

AND SERIOUSLY, if I wasn't a statistically realistic thinking dude, per trillions to one chance, the assertions of people in my life that I was the quintessential role-model of Jesus, when I did not go into a church for two decades, might provide a giggle of a reincarnation laugh.

But nah, GOD is a GOD of merit, and HARD, HARDEST ALL HONEST WORK.

THERE ARE NO specific eternal one individual ANOINTED HUMANS chosen by GOD to rule the entire frigging Universe.

TO SERVE GOD, AS A TRUE SOLDIER OF GOD, IS TRULY THE GREAtest challenge of ALL OF HUMAN LIFE.

AND BABY, THE WORK NEVER ENDS, WITH TOIL, TROUBLE, AND THE ALL NATURAL BLISS THAT IS THE ALL NATURAL REWARD OF A TRUE SERVANT AND SOLDIER OF GOD.

GOD IS EEO ALL THE WAY...

WITH NO FRIGGING AFFIRMATIVE ACTION STUFF, LIKE THE HOLY roman empire CONSTANTINE AND CATHOLIC COHORT PSYCHOPATHIC LEANING big black book 'LIE OF JOHN 3:16'.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE TRUTH IS KNOWN THAT HEAVEN CAN ONLY BE NOW, AS NOW IS ALL THAT TRULY EVER EVER EXISTS.

Time is the illusion; not GOD; AND 'JOHn 3:16', taken literally as such.

There is 'A Jesus', on every corner, OF LIFE, if you can 'see him or HER', 'HOMO OR NOT', REGARDLESS OF RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION OR NOT, OR TIME OR PLACE, OR EVEN 'SPECIES' AS SUCH.

AND in just my opinion, as it's just between me and the GOD I 'speak' with 'face to face' almost always now, now, PER

That's the Truth..

That's a reasonable question. I belong to no 'silly' religion. I go for people not for rules, and can EASILY fit in any 'church'; even Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu ones.

You angered me a little bit with the ignorant pedophile remark. That's not a mistake people make around me in real life.

I love GOD and I love people and I recognize ignorance when I see it, and easily forgive it, as I am gifted with the ability to discern truth, and SOME others MORE THAN obviously are not VERY PROFICIENT AT THAT, in just my opinion.

I have a great responsibility but not one so great, as to elevate myself over others in hate.

And I am no one special; just someone who tries harder, empirically measured than most others, as such.

Again, GOD is a GOD of merit, and not gifts or grace alone.

Relative Human Free will exists, for those who employ it, develop it, and continue to practice it until death do 'us' part...

I can absolutely promise you this with an absolute 100 percent guarantee. I speak from much experience. If you are gay and you attempt to repress it under religious guilt - you're life will forever be full of unbearable
misery and torturous suffering. Almost certainly your mind will fill with suicidal thoughts.

Does it make sense that a God of love would force a person to be a certain way then declare them evil for being that way?

Thanks Aghogday, see we can agree on some things, actually we agree on a number of things, the supernatural belief bit tends to separate us. BTW I don't get the facebook reference

Again calling people sinful by using a fairy tale...

How do you figure that. The reason people change their mind is when new information is learned. God already knows all things, past, present and future. There is nothing that happens or will happen that God doesn't know about, therefore, he can't change his mind because the information is already known. If God is perfect right now, how can he change anything and yet remain perfect? Something can't change and yet be exactly the same as it was prior to the change. So for God to change he would either be an imperfect being before and/or after the change.

The Bible is full of God changing his mind. Create humans with free will --> they mess up --> kill most of them with a flood. Create bunch of silly laws --> oh wait, never mind, they don't apply to the goyim.

On Facebook when someone likes something someone says, they click a like button and it literally views as Like 1, 2 and so on, depending on how many people like it.

I have a lot of people reading what I write but I go my own way, so even though around 1.1 Million people have viewed the stuff I write and do, per my Google Plus Kate Mia clearinghouse website page for all my free verse poetry, I only have about 19 followers, as I GO no holds barred in human freedom; legally yes, but far far out of the so-called social and religious norm.

I go to church every Sunday and wear a 'sarcastic' cultural shirt to state a different 'silent' cultural meme message often in satire, too, each week.

Last Sunday, it was a shirt full of Bart Simpson cartoons, and an elderly lady that I've known for decades literally told me I should be ashamed of myself for wearing the shirt in church.

I told her I am never ashamed 'cause I am free.

She also told me I should be ashamed for wearing shorts to church in the dead of Winter. And my same reply to her is the one I give to repressed older ladies of the fundamentalist Christian ways when they suggest my dancing ways in public are 'evil'.

I just tell 'em Jesus says you can do anything if you believe, and I am doing anything and everything I please, within the boundaries, of local, state, and federal laws, along with store management accommodating my ADA accommodation for disability that dance in ballet and martial arts style has literally and medically documented cured, as I am totally pain free and healthy as a horse, kinda literally so, now, too.

I try to cut through the BS and find the truth of Nature that does make real human miracles possible.

I attempt to understand people, and keep a peaceful heart, as well.

We are all in this game together and we work best in social cooperation when we share and attempt to tolerate and accept each other's unique experiences and ways of perceiving the Universe, and most importantly appreciate what we can and do agree on, and respect folks as much as we respect ourselves, regardless if we agree, on a personal level.

Same stuff philosophers and religious leaders who look to human truth in nature have been saying for literally thousands of years.

However, it can't be enforced to truly work. One can find their way innately, instinctually and intuitively to the correct best working paths in life, without spoon fed culture or religion, to force them in a mold like a book.

Humans are not books and neither is science, OBVIOUSLY.

Truly life is ART when full experienced IN joy IN letting the negative stuff go, and just living in the flow, loving life.

But yeah, I'm a pragmatist too; of course me and lots of other folks who 'Pollyanna' this, through history, have been financially independent with A real potential, to even do this.

Subsistence gaining activities in our modern world, often are far far away, from any chance of having basic peace of mind, AKA Animal Homeostasis, so while my life should reasonably be heaven always now, considering now I have control over subsistence, in financial independence and the time, focus, and practice to do it; I realize most people don't and are kinda stuck in a rut of literal human hell to varying degrees, as a spectrum of emotional and physical stagnating pain.

I don't have the answers for that, and 'we' are an overpopulated species that is inevitably going to suffer for it, as a species out of balance harming the balance of nature on earth, for the folks who are not lucky like me.

And eventually that imbalance may prevent folks who are even as lucky as me, from achieving any peace in life at all.

But anyway that's how nature goes; doesn't have to be fair; and as always species that adapt to challenge survive.

Those that don't pay attention to the challenges, falling on 'dead ears and eyes', just GO 'by the wayside' of extinction.

What ever happens will be.

And I for one, am gonna enjoy heaven every second, as I've been to the other literal place, and that's not a place I wanna go back, no matter what. And I invite others to find their way to, while they can, as life is precious and now is the most precious experience of all..

And to be clear, I think everything I experience is totally natural but I do experience more of the natural than most people do, down to literally dancing a marital arts/ballet style everywhere I go, now at over 3200 miles at the 19 month point, and actually feeling like I float on terrestrial plane at a now very muscular mind and body balanced 233LB, 6 foot or so body AND mind, like a real ballerina, and truly it's like something supernatural for someone who has never developed the skill through literally thousands of hours of dedicated focus in continual practice.

I've developed the ability to dance well enough to excite literally hundreds of women in dance, who are 30 to 35 years younger than me in a top 100 rave dance club in the U.S, over the course of my 51st week this Thursday NIGHT.

And I am fearless enough and confident enough in my own skin to do all nude FULL BLOWN, MALE NUDE RENAISSANCE style self art, by way of restricted adult blogs, and freely share that with my girl FRIENDS, WHO ASK TO SEE IT.

AND MY wife, trusts me enough, to allow me to do it, without any worry that I will actually stray, as she knows how ethical I am and precisely what my parameters of excitement are in 'that' avenue of life.

And truly the pressing 930LBs with my legs 14 times, considering my disabilities, just 20 months ago, is beyond most people's belief when they even see and ask me if am sure it's me, in the video, hehe!

I am not supernatural and I do not believe in the supernatural, but I certainly do things with what I consider as GOD, as Nature that literally no one else does in the entire world, documented on Google.

And Google is certainly the most comprehensive record we have in history to monitor just that.

I was almost a complete shut-in for 5 long years; my life is a testament to the REAL ALL NATURAL POWER OF HUMAN potential with RELATIVE FREE WILL, SELF EMPOWERING FAITH, HOPE AND BELIEF IN ME, AND TRUST IN NATURE AKA GOD AS IS AT THIS MOMENT ALWAYS NOW.

AND HONESTLY, IF JESUS did EXIST, I feel sure this is kinda a Universal Natural thing that humans realize through hard work and practice and attempt to share with folks in the so-called dark.

It's a natural instinct truly to share it, as well, to attempt to help folks raise themselves up in a kind of resurrection back to fuller all natural human potential.

But as always humans are not perfect, and when one gets them in groups, they will believe almost anything in practice to stay accepted for better opportunities at subsistence and survival, per basic human instinct.

I was an outcast socially, and by illness for five years, and I learned to go my own way.

That pain and social outcasting, is the driving force of all of who I am now, in peace, strength, bliss, and unconditional love for all others, as truly I have done more in this life than I could have ever imagined anyone, and I do mean anyone could do, specific to what I do that I can prove too, now everywhere I go, with a simple click on links in smart phone ways, to inspire other folks, in hopes that they too, can exceed their wildest expectations or limitations in life..

And it's working more in real life than it does on the Internet, as it's easy to see that I am a totally responsible and ethical person, just by the way I carry myself, and groom myself in real life.

Non-verbal language tells the truth, and even though my non-verbal language was all screwed up most of my life, per in the dark about what it even was, I excel in that now, and the way people treat me, is truly like a 'KING', in real life but I was only looking for friends, not praise. And now I have friends who say they love me for just who am in life, regardless of what I do for a living, or where I live.

But yeah, it's almost all women, and that's OK with me, too, smiles, as I have always been a Lady's man, even when I didn't have a clue what that means. The women like me, around the age of 20, and always have much more than the guys, and that's the way it goes for me, and I can't complain..

The FACT that I can attract so many 20 something year old females, evidenced of course in that muse of dance link I have provided here to the tune of literally hundreds of 20 something year old females, at 54, is kind of a 'human miracle' too, and maybe why a lot of the guys in real life, don't wanna be my best friends, like the women do, and that's OK, as GOD I like women, so dam much, and truly I don't have to have sex with them, to like them like this, as I truly experience a bliss in life almost all the time that is better than any orgasm I have ever experienced before the last year and a half of true human enlightenment and awakening in what so many people have described as Nirvana, Bliss, and Heaven for literally thousands of years.

Yes, it's a real all natural documented place in my case, and a place I had no idea existed as a state of mind but never the less my life is proof that exists, for folks who find their own way to it, as an all natural state of mind that yeah, I can understand why people who don't experience it might think of it as supernatural, as it is simply not part of their experience, as a real natural thing, period.

It certainly did not exist for me, during those 5 years of literal human hell.

And that contrast of human life, is truly a miracle, at least for me; ALL NATURAL; ALL REAL.

SERIOUSLY, I believe all my experiences are totally natural and THE METAPHOR OF GOD is totally natural, AND more than what most people consider nature but just not shared by many folks these days.

And I would like to change that but I know each person must find their own way, through hard work, and defeating the HARD knocks of life won through courage, kindness, and relative human free will..

Happy St. Patricks day; I am hoping to get OUT to the sugar white beaches with all my bikinied twenty-something year- old friends, including my GORGEOUS LOOKING wife who still looks 19 at age 45 that yeah, I can prove too.

I'm lucky and every now, is a now, to count my blessings and share them, IN hopes that other people can live life in human bliss too, sometime during their life, 'cause honestly when one achieves it, there is no past or future, and seriously each second is like a thousand years of heaven, where there is no sense of time passing.

And finally, the other place I've been to is a place where each second is like a thousand years of hell where all there is, is empty time, in vacuum of a place so cold in emotions and senses, it is DEATH IN LIFE, AND A TORTURE BEYOND WORDS FOR TORTURE.

NO DOUBT OTHERS HAVE EXPERIENCED BOTH, AND MADE MYTHS OUT OF THESE ALL NATURAL HUMAN POLAR OPPOSITES OF HUMAN EXPERIENCE IN THE BRIGHtest lights of LIGHT IN LIFE, AND THE DARKEST PITS OF DARKNESS OF DARK.

EVEN BURNING IN HELL, OR BURNING PERIOD, WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER, AT THAT TIME, AS DEATH COULD HAVE BEEN ESCAPE; BUT REGARDLESS, I'M GLAD I CHOSE LIFE OVER DEATH, AND DIDN'T GIVE UP, NO MATTER WHAT.

WHEN all is lost and gone; it is the NOT giving up that IS ALL THAT COUNTS; AND truly that has little to do with human thought or ANY BOOKS, and everything to do with simple human relative free will in DETERMINATION TO LIVE THAT IS THE GREAtest GIFt from the ALL Natural GOD that exists as all thing seen known, and unseen and still unknown.

Your example does not illustrate God changing his mind. God knew from the beginning what was going to happen.

So God set up humans to fail (as imperfect beings) and then he knew beforehand he was going to punish them for it? It is sounds somewhat similar to the Calvinist position, God already knows who will be saved and who won't be saved, so it doesn't matter at all what you do.

That kind of talk makes me realize why people like Fnord and Tallyman view people who believe in God as idiots.
How many times must we all learn that changing your mind is not a sign of imperfection, or weakness?
From the information you've given me, the church, based on a decision long ago, made homosexuality a sin,
thereby HUMANS condemned innocent lgbt folks for all time past and present, to a life of eternal pain and suffering?
What a crock of BS!! !
I've been living my life with BUNCH OF CRAP in my head put in the bible by a bunch of SINFUL BIGOTS who had no place to judge those they did judge!
I bet God isn't even pissed of at me as much as I thought he was!
Time to go flirt with hermaphrodites and bisexual women whilst eating figs and wearing a mohawk and lots of tattoos to get too!! !
Good riddens!
At least I still love God, and believe in him and his son, that is probably what he wants most, not this fire and brimstone crap!
Ahh soooo much better!

I can finally get that tattoo of skeleton jesus playing chess with a samurai!

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Of course homosexuality and the Christian faith can exist together. The Bible condemns homosexuality in a small handful of passages. It also condemns the owning of any property beyond the clothes on your back. It condemns judging others. It condemns using violence against those who harm you. It categorically commands that if someone steals from you, you must give them even more than they stole. It commands that you give no thought to the future (i.e. saving or working) ("Be as the lilies of the field who neither sow nor reap...") I could go on and on.

Absolutely everything in modern life is roundly condemned as a sin by the Bible. And somehow, Christians have reconciled this to their own satisfaction. Heterosexual Christians commit every sin in the Bible except one, and that one is only mentioned a few times. If a person can own property, regard others as sinners, hold a job and have a bank account and still be a Christian, why not be gay also?

In fact, Jesus says the most important rule is "Love God and your neighbor as yourself." Looks to me as though loving someone that the bigots say you shouldn't love, is the most Christian of all sins.

Note: For me, an action that harms nobody and nothing, either directly or indirectly, cannot be a sin. There are actions that may fall too close to the line to achieve consensus regarding whether or not they are harmful, but love and sex between consenting adults harms nobody and cannot possibly be regarded as sinful or un-Christian except by narrow-minded people who reject everything Jesus said. I.e., A true Christian would have nothing to say against homosexuality.

A final word: Multiple studies and experience have shown that all attempts to change sexual orientation are absolutely doomed to failure. Trying to change your sexual orientation can lead only to unhappiness. Much better to accept who you are and respect others for who they are. I personally feel that religion is nonsense. But if you are Christian and gay, be aware that there are many Christian denominations that welcome GLBT people as they are and do not regard them as sinners or broken or sick. Find one of these churches rather than letting bigoted preachers bash you for being the person you are.