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Exactly!

You failed to make ANY deciferable point.

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1) That's tribalism. White flight is hardly a good thing. We Americans need to learn to walk the talk, and stop being afraid of the perceived "other."
2) As a matter of fact, I would prefer that all Americans speak English. But that being said, modern Latino Americans and immigrants are hardly the first group not to speak English as their first language. In the age of immigration during the 19th and early 20th centuries, there was a cacophony of different languages spoken in America, sometimes by people who lived their whole lives without mastering English. But guess what - - their descendants all became English speakers. This hysteria that Spanish is going to be the end of our country is nothing but natavist nonsense.
3) I have three words in answer to that: The Cosby Show. Long before Bill Cosby self-destructed with his rape scandals, his show had been the number one hit with all Americans, regardless of color.
4) History shouldn't be about making one side feel good, as opposed to the other; rather it should be only about the facts. And as far as the controversy in Arizona is concerned - - if it was just a matter of teaching the history of Mexico, as opposed to that of the USA, I'd agree. But it's a known fact that the people bitching about classes about Latino Americans are known natavists and racists, and are hardly to be trusted.
5) Again, we are unlike any other country, in that our national identity is not based on a tribe or religion, but on a set of ideals. And those ideals must include everyone. It's again a matter of Americans willing to walk the talk about America being about tolerance, equality, and pluralism.

People who say pride is ok for this or that group but not for Whites are just anti-White. All their talk about 'oppressed groups' is just window-dressing.

Of course, there is a difference between those who know they're talking BS and those dupes who are just repeating what they've heard on the TV or in their sociology classes. It's not always easy to tell who is who.

On the other hand, anti-Whitism is a reactionary movement attractive to anti-White whiteskins like you who imagine that sh*tting on other Whites is going to win them brownie points.

Seriously, almost every post you make on this forum is just some variant on "look at me everybody, I may be white, but I really care about oppressed groups, so I'm not like those bad whites over there!"

I suppose this goes hand in hand with being a Christian doesn't it? Christians like to imagine that they're so superior to those 'heathens over there' because they believe in some BS narrative and care so, so much about all the oppressed people in the world.

It is the very definition of discrimination and racism.

People say white pride is not ok usually because they associate that phrase with groups like the KKK and the aryan nation who claim white pride in the guise of hatred toward other groups.

Yes, they do. But, the same could be (and often is) said about other pride movements.

Well, let's see... I wrote a post for the "What movies have you seen recently" thread, in which I wrote about the movie Maggie, which I had just seen on DVD. I'm pretty certain I didn't write anything about race.
But seriously, there's nothing to ashamed of being anti-racist. There's nothing to be ashamed of speaking out against bigotry, especially when it's coming from members of my own ethnic group.
And for the record, there's a huge difference between feeling pride in your ethnic roots, which is largely German in my case, and the white pride movement, which was formed as a reaction against the extension of civil rights to non-Caucasians.

What? I am a Christian and I don't feel superior to anyone, infact I often feel inferior to most people (not depending on my Christianity). These people you are talking about are called bullies, and are present in every group be it Christians, Atheists, Muslims or whatever and they will pick on you because you are a Christian, an Atheist, a Muslim or whatever. It's very frustrating to be picked on all the time for no reason...

It sounds like you're kafkatrapping, and stereotyping in a rather bad way. Reminds me of the SJWs on Tumblr. No white christian male can do anything right in their eyes. If they try to be anti-racist, they're trying to say, as you put it, "look at me." But if they stay quiet, they're racist. *shrug*

The Nation of Islam could be honestly described as a hate group. Certainly at some points in their history. Why else would they kick out Malcolm X for saying that white people aren't the devil?

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People could not honestly be described as a hate group.

IMHO the SPLC actually does have a pretty good handle on the issue.

The untenable situation is that white people are being forced to give up their culture and racial identity while minorities have there's celebrated and protected. I don't believe in multiculturalism, I think it is just segregation and that the melting pot is part of what made America great. When you move to America you are leaving behind your old country and culture, you should become an American first and assimilate. The fact is that American culture and society will always be dominated by Europeans to a certain degree because Europeans are by far the largest group, there isn't anything wrong with that as Americans are the most open and least racist people in the world. American culture has built the most powerful superpower in history and got us to the moon, immigration should be treated are an honor not an entitlement because I don't care what anybody tells you not every immigrant is a net positive for the country and it is humanitarian immigration policy. If you love your home country and culture more than you love America then don't bother leaving in the first place, don't come here if all you want is entitlements and to wall yourself off.

Paragraph breaks: They're not just for breakfast anymore.

Anyway, how are we being forced to give up our culture?

There are several scandinavian-themed celebrations within a hundred miles of me every year. I don't feel as though my culture is threatened.

Also how can you not believe in multiculturalism AND feel like preserving your specific culture?

People have been saying that "why don't they assimilate like we did" nonsense since the 2nd boat landed at plymouth rock, and it's always been BS.

Are you really trying to grammarnazi me?

Anyways, those ethnic festivals of which I know very well growing up in Milwaukee aren't what I am talking about when I talk about culture but rather how people separate and see themselves as distinct from other peoples. When you analogue the methods and importance placed on preserving minority cultures to "white culture" then it is seen as supremacist and hateful, do you understand where I am coming from when I say it is untenable this way? This is where the Dylann Roofs of the world are created.

Overt legal racism is for the most part over, there are some things that remain that disproportionately effect certain peoples more than others which I don't support of course but the reality is that there isn't much to be fighting for any more except these "culture wars". Equality means equality, you don't get to be equal +1. Either we're the same or we're not, you can't tilt the playing field one way and not expect the other side to resent it. The reality is that most of the racial inequality in this country is a remnant and the oppression that led to it is over and has been for a while now. Since we live in real time and cannot undo the past all we can do is move forward, if we are to be equal now and going forward then the past has to be let go. I

It's almost as hard to read a solid block of text like that as it is to try to parse that guy who posts in the form of beat poetry interspersed with youtube links.

So yeah.



I dunno about that. Someone taught DR to be hateful. DR was also probably easily molded.

I don't personally feel like i place a high importance on preserving minority cultures.

I do place a high importance on preserving their cuisine. But I'm like that. I think the variety of restaurants i can get a good and interesting meal from is the best argument for multiculturalism. Having lemon grass chicken and escargot at the same table, for example. But we still don't have a full-on french-vietnamese restaurant here.

Maybe vietnam is a counter-example. I can't say for sure i know what they were eating before french colonization. The french gave them bread, coffee, charcuterie, and onion soup for starters. And they are killing it with all of those.

Pho is a multicultural soup. The rice noodles are chinese in origin. The broth made from onion and soup bones is very french. The peppers and some of the other spices are from the new world.

But somehow if there are too many white people in the noodle house, the soup isn't very good. In general, if tendon and tripes aren't available for your pho, it's not going to be very good. Not that i like eating tendon or tripes.

"White culture" is hardly monolithic, nor is "hispanic culture".

You've seen me express my disdain for purists in the old traditions of south-eastern united states scotch-irish culture. I also don't feel like i have much in common with kentucky hill people, or a number of other identifiable white subcultures.

A lot of non-hispanic black people in the USA have a shared history in slavery, but your east coast vs. west coast vs. southern vs. flyover black cultures have some major differences. Their shared history does bring them together in some conditions, though.

I think it could be argued that the culture that DR thought he was fighting for is not one that he would find in most of the United States.



You misrepresent the ideal of equality.

We are born with the same rights. We are equal under the law with regard to obligations and liabilities as well. Ostensibly, every eligible adult's vote counts for 1 vote. This is the kind of equality the founders spoke of.

And at no time will this make anyone truly equal to anyone else, nor do i believe that it was ever intended to.

As individuals, none are equal. Many are equal + a lot. Many are equal - a lot. What makes us different, as a nation, is that we try to embrace the ideal that having started out with many negatives should not, as it has in some nations, preclude you from shedding negatives.

Take for example the caste system in India, which insisted that if you are born untouchable you will be untouchable for your whole life, and your children will be untouchable, and you cannot marry or breed with anyone who is not also untouchable.

The caste system is officially illegal now, and has been for some time, but my brother's indian father-in-law told us all about the lower-class boy who lives at the end of the street who will do anything that anyone in the family asks at any time, for nothing.

That's an extreme example, sure, but there are still people in the south of the USA - descendants of indentured servants - who will tell you that they are poor white trash and will never amount to anything.

We are supposed to be better than that. Who your great-great grandparents were isn't supposed to dictate what you can do in your life. It might make it a lot easier or a lot harder, and the wealthiest and most powerful have done a lot to secure their positions, but "equality" here means rights, opportunity, and responsibilities.

Take my ukranian friend who arrived here, by his description, a bare-assed 13 year old with nothing. Today he owns a pretty decent apartment in brooklyn and earns a really good living as an IT guy for a law firm you've heard of.

His relatives back in Lviv? Not doing quite as well.

That's equality.

Does his son go to a school where they speak russian? You betcha.