14 Aug 2015, 3:07 pm
Raptor wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Leftists turn into post-9/11 neocons about the civil war, traitor this sedition that goodbye civil liberties
They're basically cut from the same cloth as the witch burners of the colonial era.
Er...they didn't burn witches in this country.
Oh really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
Quote:
The Salem witch trials were a series of hearings and prosecutions of people accused of witchcraft in colonial Massachusetts between February 1692 and May 1693. The trials resulted in the executions of twenty people, most of them women. Despite being generally known as the Salem witch trials, the preliminary hearings in 1692 were conducted in several towns in the Province of Massachusetts Bay: Salem Village (now Danvers), Salem Town, Ipswich and Andover. The most infamous trials were conducted by the Court of Oyer and Terminer in 1692 in Salem Town. One contemporary writer summarized the results of the trials:
Well they might not have actually burned them (pitiful small victory for you
) but there were still witch hunts, witch trials, and hangings and other means of execution in Colonial America.Still the same self righteous lynch mob herd mentality that the party of tolerance and love lets slip with boring regularity.
You see, dear Raptor, I never typed they didn't have witch hysterias and persecutions here which was utterly stupid and insane. I just typed they never burned anybody in the colonies, at least not like they did in Europe. They did lynch people but that involved hanging from a tree and they might have set a few of those on fire. They didn't tie any women, or men for that matter, to stakes and watch them burn because that is what the Catholic church did and they despised the Catholics. They weren't about to go and do the same as the Pope worshipping riff raff. So they hung them instead but it eventually caught on what they were doing and it was stopped.
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14 Aug 2015, 9:23 pm
15 Aug 2015, 12:07 am
15 Aug 2015, 12:14 am
ooOoOoOOOoOoOoo wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Leftists turn into post-9/11 neocons about the civil war, traitor this sedition that goodbye civil liberties
They're basically cut from the same cloth as the witch burners of the colonial era.
Er...they didn't burn witches in this country.
Oh really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
Quote:
The Salem witch trials were a series of hearings and prosecutions of people accused of witchcraft in colonial Massachusetts between February 1692 and May 1693. The trials resulted in the executions of twenty people, most of them women. Despite being generally known as the Salem witch trials, the preliminary hearings in 1692 were conducted in several towns in the Province of Massachusetts Bay: Salem Village (now Danvers), Salem Town, Ipswich and Andover. The most infamous trials were conducted by the Court of Oyer and Terminer in 1692 in Salem Town. One contemporary writer summarized the results of the trials:
Well they might not have actually burned them (pitiful small victory for you
) but there were still witch hunts, witch trials, and hangings and other means of execution in Colonial America.Still the same self righteous lynch mob herd mentality that the party of tolerance and love lets slip with boring regularity.
You see, dear Raptor, I never typed they didn't have witch hysterias and persecutions here which was utterly stupid and insane. I just typed they never burned anybody in the colonies, at least not like they did in Europe. They did lynch people but that involved hanging from a tree and they might have set a few of those on fire. They didn't tie any women, or men for that matter, to stakes and watch them burn because that is what the Catholic church did and they despised the Catholics. They weren't about to go and do the same as the Pope worshipping riff raff. So they hung them instead but it eventually caught on what they were doing and it was stopped.
You see, dear ooOoOoOOOoOoOoo, when I said witch burning I meant witch hunting regardless of the method of execution. It's the witch hunt mentality I was talking about and I think you knew it then. This is my last post dissecting the semantics of what I said so whatever.
15 Aug 2015, 12:24 am
15 Aug 2015, 12:31 am
15 Aug 2015, 12:33 am
15 Aug 2015, 12:47 am
15 Aug 2015, 11:05 am
As always, people don't get the point. The Civil War was a clash of socio-economic systems. It wasn't really about slavery or states rights, though these made easily understood dogmas that could be used to incite the vast majority of people. It was purely a struggle between the Southern Oligarchs who happened to own slaves, and Northern freemen who were tired of the unfair Southern Planter class dominance of the Federal government ( re: the 3/5ths concept ). And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.
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15 Aug 2015, 4:11 pm
glebel wrote:
As always, people don't get the point. The Civil War was a clash of socio-economic systems. It wasn't really about slavery or states rights, though these made easily understood dogmas that could be used to incite the vast majority of people. It was purely a struggle between the Southern Oligarchs who happened to own slaves, and Northern freemen who were tired of the unfair Southern Planter class dominance of the Federal government ( re: the 3/5ths concept ). And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.
And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.To be sure, that is an interesting point of view, and does have a degree of merit. Still, the rich southern planters had undeniably used the defense of slavery and white supremacy as justification of the war.
15 Aug 2015, 11:48 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
glebel wrote:
As always, people don't get the point. The Civil War was a clash of socio-economic systems. It wasn't really about slavery or states rights, though these made easily understood dogmas that could be used to incite the vast majority of people. It was purely a struggle between the Southern Oligarchs who happened to own slaves, and Northern freemen who were tired of the unfair Southern Planter class dominance of the Federal government ( re: the 3/5ths concept ). And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.
And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.To be sure, that is an interesting point of view, and does have a degree of merit. Still, the rich southern planters had undeniably used the defense of slavery and white supremacy as justification of the war.
Texas' articles of secession mention slavery and white supremacy 22 times, mention states rights outside of the context of slavery twice.
16 Aug 2015, 10:10 am
blauSamstag wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
glebel wrote:
As always, people don't get the point. The Civil War was a clash of socio-economic systems. It wasn't really about slavery or states rights, though these made easily understood dogmas that could be used to incite the vast majority of people. It was purely a struggle between the Southern Oligarchs who happened to own slaves, and Northern freemen who were tired of the unfair Southern Planter class dominance of the Federal government ( re: the 3/5ths concept ). And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.
And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.To be sure, that is an interesting point of view, and does have a degree of merit. Still, the rich southern planters had undeniably used the defense of slavery and white supremacy as justification of the war.
Texas' articles of secession mention slavery and white supremacy 22 times, mention states rights outside of the context of slavery twice.
Still doesn't disprove my point. Many Northern governmental bodies had black exclusion laws also. The mere fact that Texas mentions these things I am inclined to put down to rabble rousing.
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16 Aug 2015, 10:27 am
glebel wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
glebel wrote:
As always, people don't get the point. The Civil War was a clash of socio-economic systems. It wasn't really about slavery or states rights, though these made easily understood dogmas that could be used to incite the vast majority of people. It was purely a struggle between the Southern Oligarchs who happened to own slaves, and Northern freemen who were tired of the unfair Southern Planter class dominance of the Federal government ( re: the 3/5ths concept ). And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.
And, never forget, the planters also oppressed the Southern poor whites by refusing to fund interior improvements and public schooling.To be sure, that is an interesting point of view, and does have a degree of merit. Still, the rich southern planters had undeniably used the defense of slavery and white supremacy as justification of the war.
Texas' articles of secession mention slavery and white supremacy 22 times, mention states rights outside of the context of slavery twice.
Still doesn't disprove my point. Many Northern governmental bodies had black exclusion laws also. The mere fact that Texas mentions these things I am inclined to put down to rabble rousing.
Yes, yes you could find the same kind of exclusionary laws in places in the north. It still doesn't make it any less wrong.
16 Aug 2015, 11:49 am
16 Aug 2015, 12:31 pm
glebel wrote:
Where did I say it was right? My original point still stands, most people don't know jacks@$t about the true cause of the Civil War.
Yes, they love to screech about traitors, turncoats, secessionist filth (my favorite
), white supremacists, and whatever else is bothering them (150 years after the fact ). About all thier caterwauling has done for me is make me get out my old Gods and Generals DVD, blow the dust off, and watch it last night for the first time in years. 
16 Aug 2015, 12:42 pm
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