Ethical paradox: Would You Kill Baby Hitler?

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20 Feb 2016, 10:46 am

Yeah, you kill baby Hitler then maybe somebody with the same beliefs but 10x smarter and not addicted drugs takes power in Germany. People should remember that Hitler was pretty incompetent and look at the damage he did. You kill baby Hitler, who knows, you might be speaking German right now. The ideas that sprouted Nazism were not unique to Hitler.



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20 Feb 2016, 11:08 am

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Yeah, you kill baby Hitler then maybe somebody with the same beliefs but 10x smarter and not addicted drugs takes power in Germany. People should remember that Hitler was pretty incompetent and look at the damage he did. You kill baby Hitler, who knows, you might be speaking German right now. The ideas that sprouted Nazism were not unique to Hitler.


True. In fact it is not clear what Hilter's motive was other than enjoying suffering (both personally and professionally). Like you said most of the Nazi ideology didn't come from him, it was just very useful to him.

The mysticism came from newage people like Himler. This jelled the inner circle.



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20 Feb 2016, 12:30 pm

There is a scene in the 2013 time travel movie, About Time, where the protagonist goes back to makes changes to the timeline at a point in time prior to his Son's conception. He gets back to the present to find his Son is a different person. This illustrates why it's irresponsible to make any changes to the past, unless you're operating in an alternate universe.

If you were operating in an alternate universe, it might still be unwise to prevent events from running their course, because Hitler might have filled a void that prevented something as bad or worse from coming along. The Nazis did a great job of discrediting their system of government. Their example caused Britain and the United States to drop their own Eugenics programs, and certainly gave everyone after 1945 a huge incentive to be proactive in trying to make Liberal democracy work.

Without Hitler's example, perhaps one of the nascent fascist movements that existed in Britain and U.S wouldn't have fizzled out as they did. It's impossible to tell. That's why you shouldn't screw around with the past.

To risk flirting with bad taste, the least risky way I can think of to impact the situation would be to whisk away some of the victims just prior to their deaths, like happened in the movie Freejack starring Emilio Estevez and Mick Jagger.



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20 Feb 2016, 1:13 pm

Nebogipfel wrote:
There is a scene in the 2013 time travel movie, About Time, where the protagonist goes back to makes changes to the timeline at a point in time prior to his Son's conception. He gets back to the present to find his Son is a different person. This illustrates why it's irresponsible to make any changes to the past, unless you're operating in an alternate universe.

If you were operating in an alternate universe, it might still be unwise to prevent events from running their course, because Hitler might have filled a void that prevented something as bad or worse from coming along. The Nazis did a great job of discrediting their system of government. Their example caused Britain and the United States to drop their own Eugenics programs, and certainly gave everyone after 1945 a huge incentive to be proactive in trying to make Liberal democracy work.

Without Hitler's example, perhaps one of the nascent fascist movements that existed in Britain and U.S wouldn't have fizzled out as they did. It's impossible to tell. That's why you shouldn't screw around with the past.


Plus, Germany's national soul was cleansed of the Nazi cancer. Had Hitler not lived, ruled, and died with his ideology, many Germans might still be carrying that inside them.


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20 Feb 2016, 1:38 pm

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No, simply because the changes it would make to history would be incomprehensible. The world could be totally different to how it is now. Messing with history in any way could cause any number of unintended consequences. Best to leave the past in the past.



I strongly agree



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20 Feb 2016, 2:51 pm

Assuming time travel is in itself ethical, I wouldn't kill Hitler, I would adopt him and raise him on a remote peaceful island. After all he looks so cute in that photo.



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20 Feb 2016, 4:02 pm

I don't know. But I think the effort would be better spent changing things that created the situation in Germany that allowed the rise of the Nazis.


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20 Feb 2016, 5:24 pm

"Shake,shake shake,shake that baby......"
To the tune of Shake your Booty.


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23 Feb 2016, 2:04 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Plus, Germany's national soul was cleansed of the Nazi cancer. Had Hitler not lived, ruled, and died with his ideology, many Germans might still be carrying that inside them.


A certain ex-governor of California recounted in his recent autobiography how in the post war years, the government went to his home, and other homes throughout Austria confiscating all of the Nazi items people still had, such as biology and history textbooks.



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25 Feb 2016, 6:24 pm

I was wondering - if I go back in time to kill baby Hitler, does baby Eva Braun or baby Rudolf Hess get sent back to try and stop me?


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01 Mar 2016, 8:02 am

To get a young Himmler during his formative years and try to redirect his thinking would prevent 75% to 90% of the mass insanity.

His ideas and beliefs were the actual core of it.


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02 Mar 2016, 9:29 pm

Why not just take him home and raise him the right way, so he doesn't hate people?


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02 Mar 2016, 9:31 pm

Also, as bad as it was, changing history could cause unforseen problems. Things could end up worse now if that hadn't happened. You never know.


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10 Feb 2021, 7:10 pm

The reasons why the second world war happened was more than just Hitler made it.
If you read about Hitler and how the world was around this time, there are all sorts of factors that take an affect.

One such factor, is Dietrich Eckart, Hitlers racist mentor. Until Hitler me Eckart, he didn't have a problem with the Jewish people.

Then we have the spiritual crisis that was created by the enlightenment movement, which lead a lot of people to turn away from the mainstream Christian Church and its influence on society.

This also wasn't helped by the loss that many found after the 1st world war.
Nor was it helped by Darwinism nor other movements that came from his influence, such as race supremacy and eugenics, which i note are both English in creation.

Then we have the occultist revival and the revival of many ancient mythologies, which had an influence on people of this time. There were all sorts of occultists active around this time who were popularising various forms of occultism loosely based on ancient systems of magic/k.

For example, we had Crowley, Guido Von List, and Madame Blavatsky.
All spouting all sorts of madness, for self gain and for the fame.

As for the race hate that was prominent with the nazi's, well, the Jewish people had faced all sorts of prejudices for centuries. Partly due to being the people who sacrificed the Christian Messiah, but also generally. There had been podroms (anti-Jewish murderous riots) since the 1820s.

Germany, as well as other countries, had also suffered financially due to the 1st world war and other problems.

So. you see, why the second world war happened is more than being down to one man.
But due to all sorts of other factors.



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10 Feb 2021, 8:07 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?


You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?

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Are you asking because of the Deadpool movie? :D Well, if you had the chance to go back in time to kill him, going as far back as when he was a baby would probably make it harder. Probably make more logical sense, and easier to do it when he was 20 or something of that sort?