Here's the REAL question for GOP[h]ers...
The and the corollary question...should Christians?
Now wait a minute: surely the vast majority of violent criminals are Democrats. If we're going to start denying Second Amendment rights to various groups, that would be a logical place to start.
And who's already trained in safe weapons handling? Military veterans. If there were a proposal to limit private gun ownership to atheistic vets who are not Democrats, I guess I couldn't object.
The deaths caused by both the San Bernadino couple, and by the Paris team of terrorists, combined is dwarfed by the death toll inflicted by one native born White guy on his own countrymen in one spree shooting.:Andre Brevik.
And he did it in the name of his political creed which was...opposition to immigration!
So obviously the most evil group of all are...native born folks who are opposed to immigration!
Selling them guns would be OUT OF THE QUESTION!
Donald Trump, Pat Buchanan, and anyone expressing approval of either of those two nativists- we have NO CHOICE- but to put them all into internment camps NOW!
Muslims killed way more people in America. Compare 9/11 attacks to this "Andre Brevik".
Every year on 9/11 , tv shows the Muslim killer movies.
Muslims are creative. They use planes , or bombs, or suicide bombers.
No coincidence that we have been slaughtering them for decades now.
And the U.S killed way more people in Japan in Hiroshima, compare that to the 9/11 attacks.
The bombs saved millions and millions of lives on both sides. It was to end a long war and save lives. 9/11 was just to kill people for killing sake and terrorize. Compare the bombs to how many people the Japanese slaughtered in their war to conquer the world.
I can't speak for Goonsquad but I sure do. PPR seems empty and boring without a good full time troll. Sure, I do my share of teasing at times but it's just not the same.
I miss the troll also.
We should be allowed one troll.Otherwise we are discriminating against them.
Nothing makes a forum roll like a lively troll.
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I can't speak for Goonsquad but I sure do. PPR seems empty and boring without a good full time troll. Sure, I do my share of teasing at times but it's just not the same.
I miss the troll also.
We should be allowed one troll.Otherwise we are discriminating against them.
Nothing makes a forum roll like a lively troll.
Perhaps the trolls could set up a tag team system so that there's always coverage?
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Hey, I'm just trying to sus out their thought process here...
Apparently it's okay to ban all muslims because of a few bad actors. Why not ban guns for the same reason?
I'm just looking for a little consistency here.
The right to bear arms is an enumerated right in our constitution. Show me which one says we have to allow unchecked immigration. Take your time.
Besides, that's not what you were after. You were wanting us to say that the right to bear arms does not apply to Muslims so you could call us hypocrites.
The constitution does say something about the free exercise of religion. Having a religious qualification for immigrants COULD be seen as interference.... maybe. It's unclear enough that the Southern Baptists have come out against Trump's idea.
It seems to me, you're stuck with either potentially violating one right while defending another as sacrosanct, or limiting gun rights, and/or looking really inconsistent and irrational about the whole issue.
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I can't speak for Goonsquad but I sure do. PPR seems empty and boring without a good full time troll. Sure, I do my share of teasing at times but it's just not the same.
I miss the troll also.
We should be allowed one troll.Otherwise we are discriminating against them.
Nothing makes a forum roll like a lively troll.
Perhaps the trolls could set up a tag team system so that there's always coverage?
That would be good,rotating the trolls.Give them a rest so they are always frisky.
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I can't speak for Goonsquad but I sure do. PPR seems empty and boring without a good full time troll. Sure, I do my share of teasing at times but it's just not the same.
I miss the troll also.
We should be allowed one troll.Otherwise we are discriminating against them.
Nothing makes a forum roll like a lively troll.
Who would you like to nominate as the new troll?
Maybe we could hold an election if we get a few nominees.
I've always loved this endorsement of my capabilities that our little Vivian, I mean Vigilans, bestowed upon me in 2012.
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Hey, I'm just trying to sus out their thought process here...
Apparently it's okay to ban all muslims because of a few bad actors. Why not ban guns for the same reason?
I'm just looking for a little consistency here.
The right to bear arms is an enumerated right in our constitution. Show me which one says we have to allow unchecked immigration. Take your time.
Besides, that's not what you were after. You were wanting us to say that the right to bear arms does not apply to Muslims so you could call us hypocrites.
The constitution does say something about the free exercise of religion. Having a religious qualification for immigrants COULD be seen as interference.... maybe. It's unclear enough that the Southern Baptists have come out against Trump's idea.
We can't persecute against anyone on the grounds of religion but we can prevent people from troubled regions from immigrating.
As I said before, the laws regarding gun acquisition and possession should apply equally to all. Having said that, I'm not willing to tighten gun laws across the board for any reason. Freedom has its risks that I'm willing to live with.
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You could force every gun shop in America to provide a platter of little pork sausages on tooth picks next to the register. If a customer refuses to eat one-then you can't sell 'em a gun!
But then vegetarians and vegans couldn't buy guns.
Don't be silly!
Vegans are all tree huggers who dont touch guns!
So they wouldnt even be effected!
Sure they have guns,how else will you defend the trees from loggers?
You can't just swat them with a hickory switch,they have chainsaws.
Many people don't know the trees being "hugged" are some of the last, few, small, "old growth" forests not chopped down, in the United States. These trees are huge and very tall.
So the non-violent method for resistance is to climb as high as you possibly can and haul up food, water, poop bags, etc. and stay up there as long as possible. This has helped slow down this destruction of our national heritage, but the law (along with business, which directs it), allows the environmental destruction of our heritage to continue.
Another method is to have people circle the tree and chain themselves to it and each other. A variant of this is to handcuff to each other and wear rubber gloves and encase the handcuffs and gloved hands in fast drying cement mixed with ball bearings and such. But definitely no gun play allowed. These are usually gentle, law abiding, peaceful people.
There are some people who benefit from this destruction, but it's not you and I or future generations. The profiteers are the people who try to make you think "tree hugger" is some type of evil person (to stand in the way of their profit).
Googling "old growth forest map" would give you an idea of what's happened; the same thing we're actively trying to stop happening in other parts of the world.
When tree huggers act like this:
It's hard (read impossible) to take them seriously or have any respect for them. I have no quarrel with the protesting the harvesting of old grown forests on public lands as long as that's what they are actually doing. In that case the bulk of thier protesting should be against the government, but I guess they don't want to bite the hand that's probably feeding many of them...
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- Thomas Jefferson
I can't speak for Goonsquad but I sure do. PPR seems empty and boring without a good full time troll. Sure, I do my share of teasing at times but it's just not the same.
I miss the troll also.
We should be allowed one troll.Otherwise we are discriminating against them.
Nothing makes a forum roll like a lively troll.
Who would you like to nominate as the new troll?
Maybe we could hold an election if we get a few nominees.
I've always loved this endorsement of my capabilities that our little Vivian, I mean Vigilans, bestowed upon me in 2012.
You have the resume for the position of troll.AP was an older and more experienced one.But with some diligence and hard work you can catch up.All you need are some neurotic goats to lure under the bridge.Don't harvest more than you need,same some for the rest of us.
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You could force every gun shop in America to provide a platter of little pork sausages on tooth picks next to the register. If a customer refuses to eat one-then you can't sell 'em a gun!
But then vegetarians and vegans couldn't buy guns.
Don't be silly!
Vegans are all tree huggers who dont touch guns!
So they wouldnt even be effected!
Sure they have guns,how else will you defend the trees from loggers?
You can't just swat them with a hickory switch,they have chainsaws.
Many people don't know the trees being "hugged" are some of the last, few, small, "old growth" forests not chopped down, in the United States. These trees are huge and very tall.
So the non-violent method for resistance is to climb as high as you possibly can and haul up food, water, poop bags, etc. and stay up there as long as possible. This has helped slow down this destruction of our national heritage, but the law (along with business, which directs it), allows the environmental destruction of our heritage to continue.
Another method is to have people circle the tree and chain themselves to it and each other. A variant of this is to handcuff to each other and wear rubber gloves and encase the handcuffs and gloved hands in fast drying cement mixed with ball bearings and such. But definitely no gun play allowed. These are usually gentle, law abiding, peaceful people.
There are some people who benefit from this destruction, but it's not you and I or future generations. The profiteers are the people who try to make you think "tree hugger" is some type of evil person (to stand in the way of their profit).
Googling "old growth forest map" would give you an idea of what's happened; the same thing we're actively trying to stop happening in other parts of the world.
I don't like the idea of old growth being cut.The last bit should be preserved.Its hard to stop greed.
There are plenty of places where timber can be selectively harvested.Leave the last bit of virgin forests alone for future generations to enjoy.I have no problem with tree huggers,no way am I going to cut any timber off my land except to cull a few for firewood if they are dying or downed.
Julia Butterfly Hill lived in Arkansas when she was younger.
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So, that's a bit less troublesome from a constitutional point. It's even a bit better practically because at least you're punishing fewer innocent people to catch a few bad actors, but it still sucks.
Here's what I cannot understand. The argument against immigration is, "we cannot screen out the bad guys 100%, so we have to stop all immigration."
By contrast the argument against gun control is, "if we screen gun buyers or limit gun sales, we might unjustly deprive 1 person of their right to own a gun, so we should not have any gun control at all."
Meanwhile, there have been 45 terrorism related deaths in the US since 9/11--that's about 3/year.
However, in 2015 alone, there have been 11,000 gun related homicides in the US...
Somehow, 45 deaths over 14 years warrants barring a billion people from entering the US, but 11,000 deaths this year don't warrant any action at all?
By my reckoning, there have been about 21 terrorism related deaths this year. If we divide 11,000 by 21 we get approximately 524. So I guess to people on the right 1 terror related death is > 524 gun deaths?
That's some pretty perverse math.
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So, that's a bit less troublesome from a constitutional point. It's even a bit better practically because at least you're punishing fewer innocent people to catch a few bad actors, but it still sucks.
Here's what I cannot understand. The argument against immigration is, "we cannot screen out the bad guys 100%, so we have to stop all immigration."
By contrast the argument against gun control is, "if we screen gun buyers or limit gun sales, we might unjustly deprive 1 person of their right to own a gun, so we should not have any gun control at all."
Meanwhile, there have been 45 terrorism related deaths in the US since 9/11--that's about 3/year.
However, in 2015 alone, there have been 11,000 gun related homicides in the US...
Somehow, 45 deaths over 14 years warrants barring a billion people from entering the US, but 11,000 deaths this year don't warrant any action at all?
By my reckoning, there have been about 21 terrorism related deaths this year. If we divide 11,000 by 21 we get approximately 524. So I guess to people on the right 1 terror related death is > 524 gun deaths?
That's some pretty perverse math.
Perverse math??? You certainly said it. Where did you learn such trickery?????
First of all I must tell you immigration and gun control are two different things and you seem to be confusing the two.
IMMIGRATION is a gift we give to some foreign peoples. Foreign means not a citizen of the United States.
The SECOND AMENDMENT was created for the benefit of United States citizens, not for people who are foreign (see above).
And then you try to compare killings by foreign nationals using spy networks and bombs and all their other filthy tricks with American citizen's actions.
Except instead of comparing the actions of Americans to those of our other 300,000,000+ citizens you try to use these numbers to compare to filthy terrorists killing our citizens indiscriminately as though they were somehow related. Of course you get skewed results. Was that your intention?
As you point out, we have enough troubles already. To you this must mean we have room for many more. But actually, as you see, we DON'T feel we have room for more violence.
And you cleverly or ignorantly ignored the ongoing and constantly accelerating bombings and other signs of intolerance by certain Muslims in other countries, which we would also have here if certain Muslims have their say. NO THANKS.
Perverse? I'll SAY that's perverse.
We have suicide, we have neighborhood drug dealers, and that accounts for most of our gun deaths.
Muslims have Islam, a Religion that calls for the forced conversion or killing of all non Muslims.
The religion is their Government, and the have been spreading it by conquest and murder for 1300 years.
They have also been involved in religious in fighting for 1300 years. Just in Syria 250,000 have died.
This does not compare to our street crime, this is war.
If the head papist dog declared Crusade against America, we should keep our arms and buy more.
A billion Muslims have declared Jihad, and the Pope cannot even keep his white doves from being attacked by crows.
The Caliphate claims the whole world for Islam, and they are willing to become martyrs for that goal.
One worldwide religious government where all the survivors are Islamic.
They are working on the production of nerve gas, and they have at least 90 pounds of radioisotopes. Enough for a hundred dirty bombs, that are much worse than fallout. One atom inhaled, one ugly death.
25% of Muslims in the country say attacking America for Jihad is permitted, and 51% want Sharia. So you have a bowl of M&Ms, 10% are radioactive and will kill you, how many do you eat? None and get rid of the whole bowl?
That is Racist, but it is the only way you will live.
Maybe after we lose New York, LA, and have ten million radioactive refugees it will not sound so racist.
Islam has hundreds of billions, coming in every year, and over a billion people.
This threat is a clear and present danger.
In Politically Correct Survival, you die.
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The victim clutched a bloody tablet that read:
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Shame on both of you...
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And we did not let Communists and Anarchists in because they called for overthrowing our Government.
We accept those who accept our Constitution and Laws.
Muslims do not, illegals break our laws by being here.
If you do not accept that free men can rule themselves by enlightened self interest, do not come here.
If you wish to live as subjects of a King, there are other countries for you. If you wish to live under religious rule, there are other countries for you.
We have one simple request, Join Us, Or Die.
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