Is Paganism good or evil?

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I don't have to say "سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى" every time I say or hear the name of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), but now that I know it annoys you, I will.


Uh, no. It's obvious that you're singling me out for being Muslim; every other paragraph has just been you flaunting the supposed "superiority" of your god to my almighty and all-high Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). On page 4 of this thread, you use the words "Islam", "Muslim", and "Allah" (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) no less than four times. Other than Hinduism it's the only religion you specifically mentioned by name, and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is the only non-Hindu god you mention by name.

This isn't even the first time you've done it. In another thread, you asked me if I wear hijab, which is between me and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), and none of your flippin' business. You call my people "terrorists", "rabid", and "subhuman", yet you're acting like I've somehow insulted you. So, yeah. Don't try to act like you don't have an axe to grind with Islam.


Public defecation. Obviously this isn't a topic I want to dwell on, but it's so bad that the Indian government had to release a PSA reminding Indians how to use a toilet. Must be hard having to potty-train a billion people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU

[note to moderators: This post contains Arabic text, which some web browsers may not support. If there's an issue I can change instances of "سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى" to "subhana wa taala".)

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^ ^Remember, guys, peace and respect are virtues, so try to be nice.

Phew, Barchan... that must have taken a lot of rage to spill out. Hope you're feeling better and a lot less cyanotic after that outburst !

Explaining to you that Sanatana Dharma is really monotheistic but tolerant does not mean that I am asserting that "my God" is superior to "your God". Asking you to back your allegations of India's "human rights history" is not an attack on you for your religion. And asking you if you wore a hijab - given your virulent commentary in that thread - gee, why did it get you so defensive, love ?

Secondly, ever heard the adage that it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people assume that you are an absolute idiot than to open it and confirm their suspicions ? If you haven't, now may be a good time to get to know that adage up close and personal. For you see, those "public latrines" are MOST COMMON IN AREAS WITH A SIGNIFICANT MUSLIM POPULATION ! !

Open mouth, insert foot, aye ? Next time, think first, post next !

To be fair to them, there is no real "public defecation" even among the Muslims. They go in deep holes in fields designated specifically for this purpose but the Government wanted them to practice better sanitation especially as they breed like flies and live in such densely populated colonies that one epidemic will wipe out hundreds of them ! But just like getting them to teach sciences and mathematics at madarsas was an epic fail, getting them to use proper toilets was also an epic fail !

And, yes, I referred to rapists, arsonists and terrorists as "sub-human scum". Not all Arabs or North Africans, and certainly not all Muslims, but the criminal types among them. If you take umbrage with that because these "scum" are "YOUR people", then maybe you need to distance yourself from the criminal types. Criminals don't cease being criminals just because they follow a specific religion. In any case, I think you made it quite obvious why it is impossible to have a rational dialogue with you. Just be aware, however, that every time you pass your dubious claims, that you WILL be challenged on it.

Think it's because I am against your religion ? Too bad, so sad... that's not true, but you're certainly entitled to your delusions.

Psst, you're projecting.


Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth. I think your mouth is already full, with all the words you're about to eat.


Because it's a rude question? It's a loaded question that plays off of stereotypes and prejudices about Islam. It would be like if -- right now -- I asked you what caste you're in, or if you have one of those little black dots on your forehead. Completely inappropriate given the context.


Friendly reminder that personal attacks are against global Wrongplanet rules. Please calm down.


Again with the dehumanizing metaphors?


So according to you, the worst of us are "rabid dogs" or "subhuman scum", while the rest of us are just annoying pestilent "flies". This is intolerance, you are inciting hatred against Muslim people, and you are going to stop.

"Words I am going to eat" and "I am going to stop". Really ? Are you threatening me ? How exactly do you intend to "get me to stop" ? Because if you are threatening me, then I advise you to desist and remind you that this is America, and they don't stand for that kind of nonsense and intimidation here. YOU may consider my challenges / responses to your posts as "hate speech", but that doesn't make them so.

As for your question as to whether I have a dot on my forehead or not ? Er, but why would that be a rude question ? I think that it is a perfectly reasonable query for you to ask of me, and I don't see the need to get my knickers in a knot or get all defensive over it. In fact, I'll even answer you that, yes, indeed, I sport a large, quarter size CIRCLE on my forehead.

Now, regarding your question about what caste I was born into -- that's immaterial as I believe that the varna system as introduced by Manu is blasphemy, goes against the core values of tolerance and universal love in Sanatana Dharma, and I, therefore, no longer subscribe to such blasphemous rotten nonsense.

Anything else you'd like to know ? Ask away, love, and I'll answer to the best of my abilities. If I don't have an answer, I will say so honestly. Wogay ?

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Have you guys been eating Super Spicy Curry lately?

Eh, what ? Indians eat curry ? Say it aien't so ! !!

^I meant Smash Bros., but okay.

More stereotypes. Why are you trying to frame me as the big scary Muslim badguy?


That's right, we're equal under God. At least that's something we can agree on.


I don't care much for Indian food. I prefer tex-mex.

I heard some parents won't celebrate any holiday with their kids because they think they're all Pagan and therefore evil. Their kids will never get a tree or presents or candy from the Easter Bunny or even turkey at Thanksgiving, and as for Halloween, forget it.

It's scary to think that I could have been born to parents like that. They don't want to be happy, they just want to be right.

I am just asking you how you planned to stop me from posting. I detected a threatening note in your post and asked for clarification. As for making you out to be a "big bad guy" ????????????... LOL ! !!

Nah, the image I am conjuring of you (and from my impressions of your personality from your postings) is a pretty Arab girl with big flashing brown eyes, a button nose, flushed cheeks, long eyebrows knitted together in a frown, and quivering lips, repeating to themselves, "OH, HOW DARE SHE ?! THAT AWFUL, AWFUL, AWFUL, HisMom !"

Hardly big or bad or scary, leave alone a guy, my love. More like Jasmine, you know, from Disney ? A pretty, fiery, opinionated Jasmine. My kind of girl.The kind of girl I'd want my daughter to be. HOWEVER, the only issue I am having is my inability to reason with you or to debate with you reasonably.

I just wish we could get along, Barchan. Why won't you just see my posts as just challenges to your posts, and not a challenge to you, personally ?

Heheh. You have no idea how much this made me smile.


Okay. I'll try to lighten up.

I do sometimes wonder how many generations living on the internet it will take before common consensus becomes 'Okay, the three Abrahamics are synchretic amalgamations of pagan beliefs' and that consensus stands as acceptable and accepted. The facts are right out there, just that progress toward that understanding moves slow because so few people have either the interest, the time, or the energy to figure it out.

When that actually happens we might get to a point where people like that simply won't have the fuel. I'd just hope they find something more constructive to turn their neuroses toward rather than heckling their kids a different way.

Paganism is neither good nor bad, because it isn't a single, clearly-defined belief system like (for example) Christianity. Is Christianity good or evil? That is a question we can address, and I would argue that it is evil.

I think many people refuse to look into anything that might threaten their "perfect" faith. To question certain/any teachings means, to them, infidelity, blasphemy, and a complete downfall of their card houses.

I do see differences between religions, but I also see similarities, and I got the feeling I may be one of the people you're asking about this, so...

It seems to me that when you mention “basis for proper behavior,” you may be referring to dogma. I see many problems with dogma—these superimpositions are often based on--among other things--outdated cultural and religious standards, as well as inconsistent and/or literal interpretations of ancient sacred texts. (Don’t get me started on that!)

I don’t believe there is one true, perfect faith, nor is there one way to do things “properly,” and I think that those who have tried to strictly impose their own sacred limits on others or themselves have caused way more problems than they’ve solved.

I'm both a Unitarian-Universalist and an eclectic, pantheistic Neopagan who has an appreciation for Western, Eastern, and indigenous religions, as well as other paths such as humanism, agnosticism, and yes, atheism too. I think they’ve all got something worthy of consideration.

I take my own guidance from many sources, such as the basic values my parents raised me with (they were of good character, by many standards), the wisdom of others, my own experiences and observations, my conscience/intuition and my own sense of reason to figure out what's "the right way to live," for ME. Yes, I do have some strong opinions about what others should or shouldn't do (like not killing in the name of one’s god!), and I express them and act on them when I think it’s appropriate/constructive, but I also recognize that what works for someone else might be just what they actually need, and if there's no harm done, I respect their individual journeys.