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25 Feb 2016, 4:39 pm

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Huh? I've literally said that political correctness is suffocating western civilization and is suicidal, I think that implies I care a great deal so I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this. I've been on point, you've been desperately trying to poke holes in my argument without making one of your own and failing bad at it. It's really funny, why are you doing to this to yourself? Like do you want me to give you an out here or something?

I like to discuss things civilly in an intellectual manner, I've had many great back and fourths with people here on a whole host of subjects but when somebody wants to fling mud and insult me I have no issue counter punching. I like a lot posters that describe themselves as on the left here, I don't have issues with discussing things with most people. Every once in a while we get a live one, they typically don't stick around.
you have SAID that, true. where's your data? sorry if you think educating people on the origins of what words they're throwing out is flinging mud.

also please shut up about tone since you're freely calling people 'useful idiots', thanks :)
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Like I said, there are real issues in this world that this PC garbage is now effecting our ability to address. Nobody cares about some dildo whining about some irrelevant thing that "triggered" their sensibilities, that isn't what your movement is all about. Useful idiot.
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25 Feb 2016, 4:43 pm

Turn on the news, that's my data. Perhaps you mother or sister want to go make a nice visit to Cologne, Germany or Calais, France right now?

The origins as defined by the group that is being opposed means literally nothing. Cultural Marxism is a real thing, google it.



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25 Feb 2016, 4:47 pm

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also please shut up about tone since you're freely calling people 'useful idiots', thanks :)


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25 Feb 2016, 4:47 pm

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Just make a list for the USA. That will do for now. We are the main ones having to deal with this stuff.

And there are websites for people travelling to foreign countries to give you a quick heads up on what not to do there that is normal here.
ok.

1) think before you speak
2) don't be an as*hole
3) see #1



That would work of they were up in arms over garden variety asshattery. They aren't. They are mad about things most people have never heard of. And also it's all about how the person listening perceives it. We can't know how they will and they could misunderstand anything and then the speaker is the bad guy for no reason.

If not being an ass were how to not trigger the SJWs then it would be easier.

That's why we need a list. Nobody is going to come up with all that crap on their own.

Again. Jazz Hands. Clapping isn't being an ass and nobody would think it is but its wrong and TRIGGERING now. That is why we need a list.

And people with colostomys probably don't appreciate you throwing that a word around. See? That could actually be one.
you're paying too much attention to the nutball outliers. they're too busy trying to include every possible permutation that they miss the point of what they're doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os
people like this lady who claimed that AC is sexist because 'women feel the cold more than men' (?) don't help the left any more than the idiotic rape apologists do for the right.


I know and I want them to shut up too. I came at these first because they are shiller and more annoying. I'll get to the others, don't worry.

But there are more than you think. The whole movement is growing and its finding a home with 90s kids who had all that hovering parenting and all kinds of stuff I remember from back then that said your childs self esteem is more important than anything, (everybody makes the team, never take the teachers side, OMG my kids not invited to a party) even learning the lessons growing up that kids learn. Like how to put others first and that you don't always win, and that it's best to ignore people who insult you since the school will now kick both of you out if you do anything. Some kids were raised to think they were the center of the universe. Some were in my generation too. I know several. But it was a thing in the 90s and nobody knew where it would lead and kids having safe rooms with coloring books for when they get upset and triggered in class is where it led. And jazz hands. We can't forget them, they kill me.

I fell for a lot of it and started off that way with my first but having three more all 18 months apart meant that I barely had time to do the attacent parenting, extended nursing and cosleeping with all my kids and I gave up on the crap after they got older. Now I like the baby stuff. It's good. And self esteem is good too. It wasn't rembered enough when I was young. So it got remembered too much when I was grown.

When mine were little I was one of the Birkenstock wearing crowd with the natural remedies and home births (yes, I did) and gentle mothering and all that. We were those new 90s hippies. We were the ones that liked The Greatful Dead but also Fish, and didn't look twice at straight men in skirts or white people growing dreadlocks even though everybody knew they were just tangles, and we all went to The Farm. My husband and I even took a year and he changed jobs and we worked in a health food store and restaurant. Because we felt the energy was better. Yes we were those folks then. It was good for then. I'm glad we were. But that loving and gentle parenting we started with turned into spoiling and stroking the ego and doing everything for them to the point that my kids even bought "adulting" stickers to be proud of doing normal grown ass things. I think it's cute. They just liked them. But we left that fairly early on and moved to the country and it was very different than Southside Birmingham. And we just went with it. We protected our kids and their self esteem but not to the point that we would have had we stayed and kept it up. I've seen kids who grew up all the way like that and some turned out OK. Others so did not. Can you say entitled about everything? My freaking nephew is 23 years old and is FINE and won't leave his room and computer. He's not depressed, he just doesn't have to or want to and his dad waits on him and protects him and does everything for him. If he went to college he would be part of the hurt feelings brigade. And he hates me. And my husband and most of my kids because we made him share when he was a kid and his dad said it was his decision. And my oldest daughter punched him when he was 8 for throwing her in the lake and almost drowning her. Punched him hard. That is the only time he's ever felt physical violence. Not that he should but Jesus get out from under daddy nothing is wrong with you!

I raised four great adults. They know they shouldn't be mean and they know they shouldn't be, to use their words as adults, little b*itches about sh*t. In other words they didn't live in the bully haven I did and that was great but I didn't have time to do the rest at home so I just raised them instead of parenting them this way or that way. And it worked. I think a lot of the SJWs were spoiled rotten and its showing now.

It's growing and its those damn kids lol. That generation. ;-)


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25 Feb 2016, 4:47 pm

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Turn on the news, that's my data. Perhaps you mother or sister want to go make a nice visit to Cologne, Germany or Calais, France right now?

The origins as defined by the group that is being opposed means literally nothing. Cultural Marxism is a real thing, google it.
I ask for data, you make vague aspersions about immigrants.
not really sure what the hell you're going on about origins for, and if Cultural marxism is real, why is there no entry on wikipedia?



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25 Feb 2016, 4:49 pm

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For example:

COLUMBIA, S.C., February 23, 2016—The University of South Carolina’s (USC’s) marketing materials claim “No Limits” on the student experience—except, it seems, when it comes to constitutional rights. That’s why today, student Ross Abbott and the campus chapters of Young Americans for Liberty (YAL) and College Libertarians filed a First Amendment lawsuit against USC with the help of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE).

Last fall, the student groups held an outdoor event displaying posters with examples of expression that had been censored on campuses across the country. Three other students filed formal complaints, claiming that some of the posters were “offensive” and “triggering.” In response, USC served Abbott with a “Notice of Charge” letter and launched an investigation for “discrimination,” threatening him with punishment up to and including expulsion for his protected speech.


https://www.thefire.org/students-interr ... -carolina/
posting a swastika on a table bench does not make you a paragon of the 1st amendment.



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25 Feb 2016, 4:50 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
Turn on the news, that's my data. Perhaps you mother or sister want to go make a nice visit to Cologne, Germany or Calais, France right now?

The origins as defined by the group that is being opposed means literally nothing. Cultural Marxism is a real thing, google it.
I ask for data, you make vague aspersions about immigrants.
not really sure what the hell you're going on about origins for, and if Cultural marxism is real, why is there no entry on wikipedia?

when all else fails appeal to some mythical data that will never be enough or from a credible source, I'm not playing that game today

As to why it's not on wikipedia, it was for over 7 years but the cultural marxists banded together to get it deleted and declared a conspiracy theory. Seriously. Look that up.



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25 Feb 2016, 4:57 pm

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Turn on the news, that's my data. Perhaps you mother or sister want to go make a nice visit to Cologne, Germany or Calais, France right now?

The origins as defined by the group that is being opposed means literally nothing. Cultural Marxism is a real thing, google it.
I ask for data, you make vague aspersions about immigrants.
not really sure what the hell you're going on about origins for, and if Cultural marxism is real, why is there no entry on wikipedia?

when all else fails appeal to some mythical data that will never be enough or from a credible source, I'm not playing that game today

As to why it's not on wikipedia, it was but the cultural marxists banded together to get it deleted and declared a conspiracy theory. Seriously. Look that up.
so no data then, just noise and fury. check.
I looked it up, and found this: https://web.archive.org/web/20140226142 ... Bolshevism
"Cultural Bolshevism, or in German Kulturbolschewismus,[1] was a term widely used during the Third Reich by critics who denounced modernism in the arts, particularly when seeking to discredit more nihilistic forms of expression. As many modernists embraced Marxism while rejecting traditional values, Cultural Bolshevism and the similarly pejorative term "Cultural Marxism" also took on political overtones. "
so why are you rabbiting nazi propoganda Jacoby?



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25 Feb 2016, 4:59 pm

Of course, I would be offended by such extremes as Nazism and racism.

And anything which violates somebody's individual right to free expression--but with the provision that one should police one's self, and not seek to offend somebody.

However, there are some people who seem to seek something to get offended about, when there's really none at the moment,and are always fighting with somebody. T

his does not leave room for feeling pleasure in life. These sorts of people are CONSTANTLY offended.



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25 Feb 2016, 5:02 pm

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What those of us whose epidermis isn't made of single ply tissue would like is a list of everything offensive from now into perpetuity. This means think of everything, no matter how small, that could in any way be possibly offensive to even one person and write it down. Make sure you get everything because once it's done I'm having it carved into stone by a grandchild of a set director who used to work for Cecil B DeMille and its got to stay that way.


You have been fooled by the entire strategy of the radical Left, and they already have you wrapped around their fingers. There isn't and can't be such a list on purpose, because "social justice" has nothing to do with either society or justice. It is about power -- the power to control your behavior at will. If you know the rules and follow them, then maybe you can be independent. But if we keep the rules hidden from you, or change them randomly, then we can keep you always on the defensive, always down, and then we can control you. "Social justice" is Marxist totalitarianism touched up with lipstick and squirted with perfume so you can smell the mass-murdering ideology underneath.

And it's easy to do, because on average, human beings (even a lot of aspies) just go along with the crowd. If the crowd is doing something, then it must be ok. And whipping up a crowd is a pretty easy thing to do if you have decent persuasive skills. I could begin right here (if I wanted to) as follows: Your racist username is something that really should not be permitted on WP. Don't you think you should apologize for that kind of coded slur against Italian Americans? If you post an apology I won't report you to the moderators, but you can be sure we'll be monitoring your posts to make sure you don't harass any more users with your racist ideology.

(See how easy that is? And I guarantee if some energetic person started promoting that kind of line, pretty soon an assortment of crowd-followers would start promoting it too -- in Marxist lingo they are called "useful idiots" who will do whatever the Party tells them to do.)



I get it and agree entirely. I have a theory why these college kids are buying into it. I posted it somewhere in response to somebody here. I'm not forces into anything. I said I'd follow some if it's reasonable. I just want the list so I'll know. I couldn't have figured out jazz hands on my own.

As for my user name I'm Italian. I was going to go with AverageDago but it sounded too much like a boy. Go figure. The SOIA can baccia un oumo grasso sul il culu. I cant spell it and i only know the curse words. You can guess. It wouldn't effect me if you went all at me that way but I can see how it would effect some people. Some are more yeilding to social pressure than others.

I agree. Totally.

But I want my list


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25 Feb 2016, 5:09 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Turn on the news, that's my data. Perhaps you mother or sister want to go make a nice visit to Cologne, Germany or Calais, France right now?

The origins as defined by the group that is being opposed means literally nothing. Cultural Marxism is a real thing, google it.
I ask for data, you make vague aspersions about immigrants.
not really sure what the hell you're going on about origins for, and if Cultural marxism is real, why is there no entry on wikipedia?

when all else fails appeal to some mythical data that will never be enough or from a credible source, I'm not playing that game today

As to why it's not on wikipedia, it was but the cultural marxists banded together to get it deleted and declared a conspiracy theory. Seriously. Look that up.
so no data then, just noise and fury. check.
I looked it up, and found this: https://web.archive.org/web/20140226142 ... Bolshevism
"Cultural Bolshevism, or in German Kulturbolschewismus,[1] was a term widely used during the Third Reich by critics who denounced modernism in the arts, particularly when seeking to discredit more nihilistic forms of expression. As many modernists embraced Marxism while rejecting traditional values, Cultural Bolshevism and the similarly pejorative term "Cultural Marxism" also took on political overtones. "
so why are you rabbiting nazi propoganda Jacoby?


This is about as dishonest as gets to liken Nazi propaganda to what I said

you are the book burner not me sir



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25 Feb 2016, 5:14 pm

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Sorry if you think we are as*holes for pointing out that you're being as*holes.



Gotta love that "NO U" ploy!


Along with the implication of intimate knowledge of what constitutes an as*hole.

So in response to that:

1: No insincere apology is required.
2: I could care less if you're an as*hole. Some of the best people I know are as*holes - a few of them are even self-described as*holes.
3: If you take it upon yourself to call me an as*hole, you're probably being an as*hole, but see 2.



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25 Feb 2016, 5:15 pm

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This is about as dishonest as gets to liken Nazi propaganda to what I said
so dishonest in fact that i'm actually backing up my position! with actual data! good thing we've got truthseekers such as yourself that valiantly hold everything in and don't divulge it so the rest of us can just rely on you instead. :roll:



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25 Feb 2016, 5:17 pm

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140226142708/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
"Cultural Bolshevism, or in German Kulturbolschewismus,[1] was a term widely used during the Third Reich by critics who denounced modernism in the arts, particularly when seeking to discredit more nihilistic forms of expression. As many modernists embraced Marxism while rejecting traditional values, Cultural Bolshevism and the similarly pejorative term "Cultural Marxism" also took on political overtones. "
so why are you rabbiting nazi propoganda Jacoby?


What a disingenuous load of old trousers.

Cultural Marxism as a concept has a valid modern academic definition and application as I'm sure you're well aware.



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25 Feb 2016, 5:21 pm

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Fugu wrote:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140226142708/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
"Cultural Bolshevism, or in German Kulturbolschewismus,[1] was a term widely used during the Third Reich by critics who denounced modernism in the arts, particularly when seeking to discredit more nihilistic forms of expression. As many modernists embraced Marxism while rejecting traditional values, Cultural Bolshevism and the similarly pejorative term "Cultural Marxism" also took on political overtones. "
so why are you rabbiting nazi propoganda Jacoby?


What a disingenuous load of old trousers.

Cultural Marxism as a concept has a valid modern academic definition and application as I'm sure you're well aware.
yes, as a conspiracy theory.

"A 20th-century conspiracy theory regards the Frankfurt School as the origin of a contemporary movement in the political left to destroy western culture, referred to as "Cultural Marxism" by theory proponents. It advocates the idea that multiculturalism and political correctness are products of critical theory, which originated with the Frankfurt School. The theory is associated with American religious paleoconservatives such as William S. Lind, Pat Buchanan and Paul Weyrich, and has received support from the Free Congress Foundation."
Cultural marxism isn't about PC, it's just been latched onto by the american right and used to smear whoever they disagree with.



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25 Feb 2016, 5:24 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
This is about as dishonest as gets to liken Nazi propaganda to what I said
so dishonest in fact that i'm actually backing up my position! with actual data! good thing we've got truthseekers such as yourself that valiantly hold everything in and don't divulge it so the rest of us can just rely on you instead. :roll:


:lol: okay man, even in Fugu-world do you think this whole argument is going well for you?

Like I said man, do you want an out or something? Why are you doing this?