Fake News?

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I'm sorry you're having trouble understanding facts.

Nope, haven't changed my tune one iota.
I don't pretend to be an expert on the 9/11 attack, so I can't speak intelligently about all the details. But there have been plenty of false reports, and misconceptions surrounding the attack.
As for the Israeli allegedly visiting the twin towers, and the owner missing a visit the day of the attack - coincidences happen.
Evidence of a kidney transplant? Bin Laden lived to be shot by Seal Team Six. That alone made it a possibility, or at least an educated guess.

Coincidence? The towers were full of asbestos making them utterly worthless. So one of the Israelis who was there to film the first plane hit the tower and then celebrated, and was arrested with traces of explosives in the van after being seen in the towers the day before is all just coincidence?
OK so let's imagine he had a kidney transplant, that doesn't mean he was responsible for 9/11. Any evidence that was actually Bin Laden? Oh no wait, he was killed and chucked into the ocean. Dead men tell no tales....

Belief in conspiracy theories is a kind of biased selective skepticism. They are skeptical of the commonly accepted truth, but not equally skeptical of the conspiracy theories themselves, no matter how far-fetched. Yet it's impossible to argue with conspiracy theorists because no claim is ever 100% falsifiable. They can just keep bringing up claim after claim and nobody has the time or energy to debunk them all. You prove on thing false, they just move on to another thing. Arguing is an exercise in futility.

I really believe most people who indulge in conspiracy theories and highly biased "alternative media" just want to think they are somehow smarter and above "the masses of sheeple" who simply go with the most logical explanation, which usually happens to be the one accepted by the mainstream. It's a unique type of "special snowflake" syndrome.

"Facts"

Bernardo Kastrup likes to say that about dogmatic materialism as well.

I tend to think the desire to be in a small, special group whose 'in the know' or whose tough and responsible vs. all the other weak people is incredibly enticing.

Probably the most important thing people can do with conspiracy or alternate/minority theories or ideas is try to evaluate them without ridicule up front, find out what confirms or denies their rational plausibility, and making an unemotive appeal to basic principles and precepts of logic first when someone brings up a view that doesn't jive with your own analysis of the facts. I say the last part because it seems like ridicule is generally just as damaging and echo chamber-creating on both sides and tends to just create religious mindsets bring clarity.

Typically if one finds themselves talking to someone boneheaded enough to require ridicule it's walking the higher road to just step away from the conversation at the risk of confusing other spectators who aren't part of the exchange. I fail at that one from time to time but I increasingly try to avoid invectives because I've seen just how pernicious they are to triangulating truth and I can't say I've seen a better example of this in recent public history than the election cycle we just exited.

How hypocritical, like those who blindly believe everything the corporate/mainstream media tells them aren't being selective. The hilarious irony being that your description could be about those who have blind faith in the corporate/mainstream media. See you don't know what you're talking about. There's people like Alex Jones and David Icke that have no filter and talk about lizards, death cults and laser beams from space from ancient aliens then there is people who do question everything. And probably people in the middle of that too.

Tell me one thing I've said that is untrue. So believing Kuwaiti babies dragged out of incubators even though the testimony in Congress turned out to be from the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US, was the logical explanation? How about the lying media making out there was some kind of uprising in Libya against Gaddafi, while they were showing footage from India!! !! !! !! People are starting to wake up.

I do not believe the Israelis were behind 9/11, or that Bin Laden was innocent of that attack. I have not seen or heard of any convincing evidence to sway my opinion.
Why would the Israelis even want to risk losing their most important allie with such a scheme?

Bin Laden confessed freely in 2004.

If that's not enough, there also considerable evidence that the hijackers were men with links to Al-Qaeda.

There's no evidence to suggest that there were any celebrating Israelis or that they filmed the first plane hitting the tower. Anyone who suggests otherwise is either grossly misinformed, lying, bigoted, or incapable of distinguishing reality from fantasy, or some combination of those.

Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies? ABC News 2002









Obvoiusly this is far from proof that Mossad was complicit in 9/11, but this incident has fueled suspicion.

Maybe the Israeli Mossad knew what the CIA and FBI should have known. If they did have foreknowledge of the attack, I wish they had warned us beforehand. But all we have is speculation and theories, and little else. Even if these guys were Israeli intelligence, I don't see anything here concretely making the Israelis responsible for the attack.

Seems like this is the place for this new Black Pigeon video, rather than a new thread.



Rather important point noted: if they find a way to crack down on "fake news", this can be literally used to shut down any publication they don't like. Editorialised? Wrong conclusion drawn? Fake news. Shut it down.

Who says purveyors of fake news would be shut down? That would be a violation of freedom of press. Fake news is combated by being identified, refuted, and ridiculed.

I'm well aware of all this stuff.

What it boils down to: woman tries to watch the World Trade Centre burning, sees some other people doing the same, and doesn't like their facial expressions.

This is not evidence of a celebration or any filming of the first plane hitting.

In the linked article thier lawyer said they were taking pictures.

If there was a law that the purveyors of fake news must be shut down, it would inevitably be used to shut down the purveyors of true news.