Can one be both conservative and tolerant?

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26 Feb 2017, 6:57 pm

How about instead of talking about conservatives opposing change, we talk about conservatives upholding tradition? I keep putting forth definitions of conservatism which serve my argument, and I don't see any others forthcoming. Don't assume we all agree on what words mean; it's just another bizarre generalization.

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26 Feb 2017, 7:02 pm

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Here is another example of conservative tolerance. Most Republicans of the 1850s and 1860s opposed slavery and supported the Emancipation Proclamation.

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26 Feb 2017, 7:10 pm

How is that conservative, exactly? I ask for a definition and I get examples. Is this thing on?

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26 Feb 2017, 7:13 pm

A discussion, whether online or in-person, is hardly an interogation. Saying goodbye to this topic!

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26 Feb 2017, 7:14 pm

No wonder the FBI never called me back for another job interview.

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26 Feb 2017, 8:48 pm

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^ You can find beaucoup examples of liberal intolerance, but I think liberals believe they are the only ones with the intellect to decide what counts and what doesn't. From that we get into liberal arrogance, a topic in itself...

In my experience within the Democratic Party (local, state and national) I have witnessed others make the argument that they needed to bend the rules because the Republican Party had cheated, too. Is that supposed to be unassailable logic?

Rule bending is pretty much commonplace for both sides. I was talking about the liberal belief that they have somehow been ordained to decide for the rest of us unwashed masses what defines what.

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26 Feb 2017, 8:53 pm

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Rule bending is pretty much commonplace for both sides. I was talking about the liberal belief that they have somehow been ordained to decide for the rest of us unwashed masses what defines what.

It only seems like that while you cling to your wrongheaded ideas.

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26 Feb 2017, 8:55 pm

Raptor wrote:

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Rule bending is pretty much commonplace for both sides. I was talking about the liberal belief that they have somehow been ordained to decide for the rest of us unwashed masses what defines what.

All right, Raptor ...

I just can't stand it, I have to post this video! In its own perverse way, it just seems to fit ... :mrgreen:

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26 Feb 2017, 8:57 pm

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Your small samples and false equivalences convince no one, Damrok.

Maybe not you, but for me and other non-progressives those small yet rather significant examples are just more nails in the coffin lid for your argument.

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26 Feb 2017, 8:58 pm

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Your small samples and false equivalences convince no one, Damrok.

Maybe not you, but for me and other non-progressives those small yet rather significant examples are just more nails in the coffin lid for your argument.

That's good. Take pride in your disregard for basic logic.

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26 Feb 2017, 9:02 pm

the_phoenix wrote:

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AspieUtah wrote:

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Rule bending is pretty much commonplace for both sides. I was talking about the liberal belief that they have somehow been ordained to decide for the rest of us unwashed masses what defines what.

All right, Raptor ...

I just can't stand it, I have to post this video! In its own perverse way, it just seems to fit ... :mrgreen:

...

No surprises there...

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26 Feb 2017, 9:07 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

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Your small samples and false equivalences convince no one, Damrok.

Maybe not you, but for me and other non-progressives those small yet rather significant examples are just more nails in the coffin lid for your argument.

That's good. Take pride in your disregard for basic logic.

Tell me, are you the joker in that video that Phoenix posted? I ask because I'm seeing similarity here and it gets stronger with each of your posts here. Now call me a troll or whatever to make yourself look wiser.

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26 Feb 2017, 9:17 pm

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The left hardly has a monopoly on tolerance. Similarly, the right hardly has a monopoly on intolerance. There are plenty of both in every political group.

One thing I've pointed out in at least one other thread is that the left preaches tolerance and when they don't practice it they come off as hypocritical.

Tolerance has never been a tenet of conservatism. That doesn't say that they, as a whole, are totally intolerant but that they can afford to pick and chose whereas liberals cannot, given both parties advertised values.

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26 Feb 2017, 9:29 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

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Here is another example of conservative tolerance. Most Republicans of the 1850s and 1860s opposed slavery and supported the Emancipation Proclamation.

Back in those day, the Republicans hardly were conservatives, as they not only supported emancipation, but also opposed states rights in favor of centralized government. If anything, the southern wing of the Democrats were the far right conservatives of their day, with their racial bias and emphasis on states having the right to discriminate on the grounds of that racial bias. While political ideologies remained, the parties that they were associated with changed hands, especially with the support of civil rights by the northern wing of the Democratic party, which was far more liberal by the mid 20th century compared to their southern counterparts. Then the Reagan Revolution ended up converting virtually all white Democrats in the south to the Republican party.

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26 Feb 2017, 9:39 pm

Yes.There are some that care about helping the poor and the enviroment.It all depends on the person,not the party.
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26 Feb 2017, 9:45 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

Even long before Trump became president, I have grappled with the question of whether conservatism automatically makes one a bigot, or whether one must be liberal to be tolerant.

Your thoughts?

No, being a conservative does not automatically make one a bigot. There are different types of conservatives like there are different types of liberals. For example, there are social conservatives, and there are fiscal conservatives, and while social conservatives seem to more likely also be fiscal conservatives, fiscal conservatives are not necessarily social conservatives.

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