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16 Mar 2017, 1:37 pm

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Can you f*****g not? This is offensive to those victims of paintball, laser tag, gun crime, nerf guns, and water fights.



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16 Mar 2017, 2:32 pm

I would identify myself as a feminist and I think this a ridiculous useless waste of money. Almsot as stupid as officially changing the word mankind to humankind :roll: There are more important things to focus on



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16 Mar 2017, 10:18 pm

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men have always devotes all of their energy to pleasing women and the women now are mostly lesbians.

Well I'm not sure about the percentage of lesbian women in the population or if it is on the rise, but I have to take issue with the first part of your statement.

It seems to me, in my experience, that men "devote all of their energy" to themselves. In what way have men always made sacrifices to please women?


Many men, particularly young men, spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to court women, and how to make women like them. I believe this is fairly universal among heterosexual males. Even my socially inclined male friend who has no problem getting women has gone through great lengths to please his girlfriends. Before he taught himself to drive to visit her, he would ride his bike about 15 miles to her house when she wanted company.

Believe it or not, many men find it distressing when the woman they are with is unhappy, and do try their best to appease her. For example, it might be small things, such as loading the dishwasher or folding the towels the way she wants, or big things, such as letting her have final say on which house they will buy, or what they will name their children.

Bare in mind, that many men also stay at stable, yet stressful or boring jobs rather than pursue their life's passion, because they put their family and partner before themselves.



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17 Mar 2017, 8:02 am

Chronos wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
b9 wrote:
men have always devotes all of their energy to pleasing women and the women now are mostly lesbians.

Well I'm not sure about the percentage of lesbian women in the population or if it is on the rise, but I have to take issue with the first part of your statement.

It seems to me, in my experience, that men "devote all of their energy" to themselves. In what way have men always made sacrifices to please women?


Many men, particularly young men, spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to court women, and how to make women like them. ...

I imagine they do this for various reasons: the potential of a mate, the potential of sex, offspring, etc. Doesn't mean it's a good idea. Courting is an archaic idea the breaks down to manipulation and obligation. It's a good idea if you want offspring, but otherwise is a bit of a waste of time.

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Believe it or not, many men find it distressing when the woman they are with is unhappy, and do try their best to appease her. ...

It reflects badly on them if their partner is unhappy. To take this to a larger degree, though, society as a whole does not like it when women are unhappy. I have been chastised by strangers for looking unhappy; it's truly bizarre. Like I have to live in this crappy world and I better pretend I like it, so the "men" can feel that they've provided something of value.

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Bare in mind, that many men also stay at stable, yet stressful or boring jobs rather than pursue their life's passion, because they put their family and partner before themselves.

If someone truly has a passion, they will follow it no matter what. To say they are not living the life they want is a manipulative cop-out.



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17 Mar 2017, 8:29 am

That's the most stupidest thing I've seen in a long time. I also wouldn't touch a skirt or a dress with a 10-foot pole.


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17 Mar 2017, 8:36 am

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Women cater for men, and men cater for women.

Many times, there is "inequality" in this.

Sometimes, the man caters more, and sometimes the woman caters more.

That's just the way the ball bounces, the cookie crumbles, etc.


I cater for myself.


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18 Mar 2017, 2:14 am

androbot01 wrote:
Courting is an archaic idea the breaks down to manipulation and obligation. It's a good idea if you want offspring, but otherwise is a bit of a waste of time.
No it's a modern idea. Big improvement over the arranged marriages of the past where women were treated like commodities and given no say in the matter.

Manipulation and obligation has nothing to do with it. It's about getting to know each other. Wanting offspring is only one reason to do it. I know plenty of childless couples who are quite happy in each others company.


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18 Mar 2017, 2:24 am

androbot01 wrote:
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Believe it or not, many men find it distressing when the woman they are with is unhappy, and do try their best to appease her. ...
It reflects badly on them if their partner is unhappy.
Is it impossible for you to imagine someone doing something for unselfish reasons? Is caring about other people's feelings a foreign concept to you?


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18 Mar 2017, 2:32 am

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Even my socially inclined male friend who has no problem getting women...
Now how can I be like him?


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18 Mar 2017, 3:02 am

androbot01 wrote:
It reflects badly on them if their partner is unhappy. To take this to a larger degree, though, society as a whole does not like it when women are unhappy. I have been chastised by strangers for looking unhappy; it's truly bizarre. Like I have to live in this crappy world and I better pretend I like it, so the "men" can feel that they've provided something of value.


That's a pretty cynical view. Sure, there's no shortage of men who just view their partners as trophies that reflect their status, but there's also plenty of decent men who truly care about their partner's happiness.



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18 Mar 2017, 6:08 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Courting is an archaic idea the breaks down to manipulation and obligation. It's a good idea if you want offspring, but otherwise is a bit of a waste of time.
No it's a modern idea. Big improvement over the arranged marriages of the past where women were treated like commodities and given no say in the matter.

If you consider medieval Europe modern.
Arranged marriages still happen today.

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Manipulation and obligation has nothing to do with it. It's about getting to know each other. Wanting offspring is only one reason to do it. I know plenty of childless couples who are quite happy in each others company.

Often it is the idea of a partner rather than the actual person that is the motivation. I realize some people do mutually meet each others needs, but I think this is the exception.

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Believe it or not, many men find it distressing when the woman they are with is unhappy, and do try their best to appease her. ...
It reflects badly on them if their partner is unhappy.
Is it impossible for you to imagine someone doing something for unselfish reasons? Is caring about other people's feelings a foreign concept to you?

Not entirely; I just have seen people pretend that their own needs are in concert with those of another far too often.

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It reflects badly on them if their partner is unhappy. To take this to a larger degree, though, society as a whole does not like it when women are unhappy. I have been chastised by strangers for looking unhappy; it's truly bizarre. Like I have to live in this crappy world and I better pretend I like it, so the "men" can feel that they've provided something of value.

That's a pretty cynical view. Sure, there's no shortage of men who just view their partners as trophies that reflect their status, but there's also plenty of decent men who truly care about their partner's happiness.

At least in trophy wife arrangements the cards are on the table.



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18 Mar 2017, 7:18 am

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At least in trophy wife arrangements the cards are on the table.


So what, any partner who doesn't straight up say they don't truly care about you can't be trusted? Do you just believe that all relationships are fraudulent? Because that's the kind of vibe you're giving off here.



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18 Mar 2017, 7:31 am

You're talking to someone who thinks aspies are, by definition, unable to feel affection and are lying whenever they display it. A reasonable position is probably too much to expect, here.


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18 Mar 2017, 7:57 am

Sabreclaw wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
At least in trophy wife arrangements the cards are on the table.


So what, any partner who doesn't straight up say they don't truly care about you can't be trusted? Do you just believe that all relationships are fraudulent? Because that's the kind of vibe you're giving off here.

I don't think all relationships are fraudulent, I think most are.

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You're talking to someone who thinks aspies are, by definition, unable to feel affection and are lying whenever they display it. A reasonable position is probably too much to expect, here.

When did I ever say that?



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18 Mar 2017, 8:06 am

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When did I ever say that?



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Me wrote:
even with all the practice in the world, I'll never be not autistic. This is true. But what is not true is any claim that because X will be harder for me, that I'm unable to do X. If I can't do it the way most people do it, I'm still not "precluded" from doing it. If I can't do it based on gut feelings and intuition, I'll do it by observing, analysing and reasoning. And it'll be just as genuine.


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I disagree with you. It will never be genuine. I am speaking in absolute terms deliberately because I think there is something fundamental to autism that makes us not get along well with neurotypicals.


(for X, read "feel and express affection". Emphasis mine.)


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18 Mar 2017, 8:36 am

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Andro, you keep using these absolute terms (precluded, unable) about autistics. An individual autistic person may be unable to provide enough displays of affection for the needs of a particular NT person. That does not mean that autistics, as a group and by definition, are unable to provide the same for any NT. You said before that even with all the practice in the world, I'll never be not autistic. This is true. But what is not true is any claim that because X will be harder for me, that I'm unable to do X. If I can't do it the way most people do it, I'm still not "precluded" from doing it. If I can't do it based on gut feelings and intuition, I'll do it by observing, analysing and reasoning. And it'll be just as genuine.

So this is the entire quote, which differs from what you quoted in that it includes more text. I think it is clear that I was talking about displays of affection not feeling affection. The feelings are there, the problem comes in their expression and communication.

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even with all the practice in the world, I'll never be not autistic. This is true. But what is not true is any claim that because X will be harder for me, that I'm unable to do X. If I can't do it the way most people do it, I'm still not "precluded" from doing it. If I can't do it based on gut feelings and intuition, I'll do it by observing, analysing and reasoning. And it'll be just as genuine.


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I disagree with you. It will never be genuine. I am speaking in absolute terms deliberately because I think there is something fundamental to autism that makes us not get along well with neurotypicals.


(for X, read "feel and express affection". Emphasis mine.)

As I pointed out above we were discussing expressing affection and communication. Changing the definition of x after the fact is misleading. If you want to talk about feeling affection, that's a totally different topic, but we can discuss it. I think autistic people feel affection like anyone else.