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23 Aug 2017, 8:26 pm

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God would have had to work mighty hard at this......


As a believer in both God and evolution, I believe God had done it, and took his time to do it.


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23 Aug 2017, 11:27 pm

Many creatures have existed far longer than us, why didn't they develop big brains like us?

I don't see what is so unbelievable with the idea that everything is linked into each other and has its own intelligence controlled by a super intelligence. Or rather, everything linked together is one super intelligence. Why not? I'm genuinely asking.


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23 Aug 2017, 11:36 pm

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Many creatures have existed far longer than us, why didn't they develop big brains like us?

I don't see what is so unbelievable with the idea that everything is linked into each other and has its own intelligence controlled by a super intelligence. Or rather, everything linked together is one super intelligence. Why not? I'm genuinely asking.


I, for one, am all for divinely directed evolution. God had preordained us to be what we are.


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23 Aug 2017, 11:42 pm

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Many creatures have existed far longer than us, why didn't they develop big brains like us?

I don't see what is so unbelievable with the idea that everything is linked into each other and has its own intelligence controlled by a super intelligence. Or rather, everything linked together is one super intelligence. Why not? I'm genuinely asking.


I, for one, am all for divinely directed evolution. God had preordained us to be what we are.


The only problem I find with evolution is that it doesn't explain everything, like willard mentioned, there isn't much evidence in fossil records for the transitionings, and I would have thought since environments are very similiar (on land, at least) why all creatures are so vastly different. I'm not disregarding the theory altogether though, it just doesn't totally fit.


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23 Aug 2017, 11:58 pm

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Many creatures have existed far longer than us, why didn't they develop big brains like us?

I don't see what is so unbelievable with the idea that everything is linked into each other and has its own intelligence controlled by a super intelligence. Or rather, everything linked together is one super intelligence. Why not? I'm genuinely asking.


I, for one, am all for divinely directed evolution. God had preordained us to be what we are.


The only problem I find with evolution is that it doesn't explain everything, like willard mentioned, there isn't much evidence in fossil records for the transitionings, and I would have thought since environments are very similiar (on land, at least) why all creatures are so vastly different. I'm not disregarding the theory altogether though, it just doesn't totally fit.


That's because evolution takes place usually in slow increments, thus one is less likely to find transitional fossils. In fact, there have been some found such as the mammalian reptiles that had preceded the dinosaurs,the dinosaur remains that resembled birds, and of course the remains of modern human ancestors that appeared to be much more primitive.


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24 Aug 2017, 12:07 am

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Many creatures have existed far longer than us, why didn't they develop big brains like us?


Intelligence won't always help an animal. Our brains gobble up a ton of energy. The human brain uses up 20% of the energy that the body takes in.

An animal population will only evolve intelligence if the benefits outweigh the costs.

Sea stars have no brain, but they are descendants of a creature that had a brain. When you live on the seafloor and vacuum up debris, a brain is a waste of resources.

A large brain is necessary when you need to regularly craft spear points on order to live.

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I don't see what is so unbelievable with the idea that everything is linked into each other and has its own intelligence controlled by a super intelligence. Or rather, everything linked together is one super intelligence. Why not? I'm genuinely asking.


Wait. Are we still talking about Christianity? This is starting to sound like a new age drug trip.

Everything linked together is one super intelligence? What?


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24 Aug 2017, 5:53 am

If God exists he wouldn't necessarily operate on a human time-scale.

Why wouldn't he take million years long eons to create heaven, earth, and living species, and do it in an evolutionary process?

He would be the boss, and so he wouldn't need to meet someone else's deadlines.


And that's exactly the point.

The issue is not "religion". The issue is Biblical literalism. Why latch your religion to a preposterous account in the Bible? Why tie your faith to the sunken ship of Biblical literalism?

The stories in the bible were meant to be taken as "stories that contains truths", and not as "true stories". So why this need to latch on to the bible like its a supposed to be a literally true geology text book?



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24 Aug 2017, 7:00 am

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The stories in the bible were meant to be taken as "stories that contains truths", and not as "true stories". So why this need to latch on to the bible like its a supposed to be a literally true geology text book?


According to whom? Do Hebrew scholars say that's the way it's supposed to be interpreted?



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24 Aug 2017, 7:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
smudge wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
smudge wrote:
Many creatures have existed far longer than us, why didn't they develop big brains like us?

I don't see what is so unbelievable with the idea that everything is linked into each other and has its own intelligence controlled by a super intelligence. Or rather, everything linked together is one super intelligence. Why not? I'm genuinely asking.


I, for one, am all for divinely directed evolution. God had preordained us to be what we are.


The only problem I find with evolution is that it doesn't explain everything, like willard mentioned, there isn't much evidence in fossil records for the transitionings, and I would have thought since environments are very similiar (on land, at least) why all creatures are so vastly different. I'm not disregarding the theory altogether though, it just doesn't totally fit.


That's because evolution takes place usually in slow increments, thus one is less likely to find transitional fossils. In fact, there have been some found such as the mammalian reptiles that had preceded the dinosaurs,the dinosaur remains that resembled birds, and of course the remains of modern human ancestors that appeared to be much more primitive.


So how long ago do you think Adam was created? I know there are very spacific geneologies connecting Adam to Jesus.
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For the record too all. I debate matters like this the same as I debate lore. On the Lord of the Rings Online discussion forum, there's all kinds of debates regarding lore and the scenarios the game developers come up with, involving the properties of elves, wizards, places in Middle Earth and so on. That doesn't mean anyone in these lore debates actually believes Middle Earth and elves are real. Although it's treated as if real to mantain certain ground rules. One of the most classic and heated debates was over whether or not elves could grow breards.



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24 Aug 2017, 9:19 am

There are many "transitional forms" of animals (and other forms of life) in the fossil record.

Australopithecus, for one, can be said to be transitional between the ape-like ancestor and human beings.

The dinosaurs, some say, are transitional between reptiles and birds. And there were some very bird-like dinosaurs.



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24 Aug 2017, 10:23 am

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The dinosaurs, some say, are transitional between reptiles and birds. And there were some very bird-like dinosaurs.


Some say?
The evolutionary connection between birds and dinosaurs has been conformed without any reasonable doubt at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathered_dinosaur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confuciusornis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyornis


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24 Aug 2017, 10:39 am

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The only problem I find with evolution is that it doesn't explain everything, like willard mentioned, there isn't much evidence in fossil records for the transitionings,




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and I would have thought since environments are very similiar (on land, at least) why all creatures are so vastly different.


Environments on land aren't "very similar". We've got mountains, valleys, plateaus, grasslands, rocky deserts, sandy deserts, semi-desert scrublands, ice sheets, temperate forests, tropical rain forests, boreal forests, tundra, swamplands ...

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I'm not disregarding the theory altogether though, it just doesn't totally fit.


Yes it does.


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24 Aug 2017, 10:54 am

I find that it fits.

Pure Creationism, without the possibility of Evolution, would have involved a massive, massive undertaking by a God who would probably have been content to "create" much less. He probably had "better" things to do.



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24 Aug 2017, 11:01 am

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I find that it fits.

Pure Creationism, without the possibility of Evolution, would have involved a massive, massive undertaking by a God who would probably have been content to "create" much less. He probably had "better" things to do.


Creationism also doesn't explain junk DNA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noncoding_DNA#Junk_DNA

That's right. A good portion of our DNA does nothing.


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24 Aug 2017, 11:21 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
The dinosaurs, some say, are transitional between reptiles and birds. And there were some very bird-like dinosaurs.


Some say?
The evolutionary connection between birds and dinosaurs has been conformed without any reasonable doubt at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathered_dinosaur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confuciusornis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyornis


Then why are there still birds.



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24 Aug 2017, 11:39 am

EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
The dinosaurs, some say, are transitional between reptiles and birds. And there were some very bird-like dinosaurs.


Some say?
The evolutionary connection between birds and dinosaurs has been conformed without any reasonable doubt at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathered_dinosaur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confuciusornis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyornis


Then why are there still birds.

They share a common ancestry only. Not all species evolve the same way.