The frustration of the right and conservatives

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And yet you seek to enact unequal rights.



I fail to see how it's either relevant or any of your business.



You're trying to renounce your allegiance so soon? How sad. I'll keep my ears open for the crowing of a cockerel.



Ad hominem.

Again, provide a definition of "conservative" that means something other than "non-Progressive". Every time you use bigotry I'm obliged to point it out, Bill.



You do understand that "Marxist" is a catch-all term for everyone under the umbrella of Neo-Marxism, right? It includes anyone whose ideology holds to Critical Theory (which informs Critical Race Theory and White Privilege).

Or were you labouring under the misapprehension that I believe there's a significant resurgence of some sort of purist Marxist movement in the US?



I don't believe civil rights laws, demonstrations or marches can be considered especially radical in the US, especially as they're rooted in the Constitution. Use of violence to serve a political goal, however, is rightly abhorred by most civilised nations and peoples as an act of terrorism. Do you support violence as a political tool in general, or only against people you suspect are guilty of wrongthink?

You don't know what Marxism is.

People were observing racial privilege before Marx came along.

Acknowledging the racism in society doesn't make you a Marxist.

As you can see within the text you quoted, I'm using "Marxist" in it's modern colloquial form to describe Neo-Marxist socioeconomic ideas and philosophies. If you want to explore Classical Marxism you're in the wrong thread. Feel free to start a new one and, if I find it sufficiently titillating, you may have the privilege of exploring the depth of my knowledge on the subject.

You've also established a principle which I am certain we can easily shake you from. As I have posted literally nothing regarding Classical Marxism other than alluding to the fact it is not equivalent to Neo-Marxism, I can express your principle as the following:

Should someone not provide evidence that they understand something by not speaking about it in-depth (or by doing no more than mention it), that is sufficient to presume lack of understanding. This is akin to an argumentum ex silentio.

I therefore, using your principle of negative evidence, presume you to have zero understanding of rudimentary mathematics, philosophy, economics, politics, soap operas, music theory, quantum physics, embroidery, sandwich making, etc.

One hopes that you have sufficient self-awareness to revise your dismissive and fallaciously formed claim.



Relevance?



Yet adherence to ideologies built on Critical Theory does make you a Neo-Marxist.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the term? I'd suggest you use a search engine but, if we are to remain true to your principle, I have to assume that you're unfamiliar with google et al due to the absence of an essay describing your knowledge of such.

"modern colloquial form"?

When you use the term "Marxism", you aren't using the typical modern version of the term. Seriously. How many people use the term "Marxism" to describe racial justice?

You're just spouting far-right conspiracy nonsense.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

Do you need me to explain the meaning of those words to you? After all, using DarthMetaKnight's Law^TM we can postulate that you don't understand any of them, due to the lack of in-depth writing on their etymology.



Strawman. I'm neither implying that people use the term to describe "racial justice", nor do I use the term to describe such myself.

Using DarthMetaKnight's Law^TM, it's safe to assume that you do not understand racial justice, Neo-Marxism, Critical Theory nor the criticisms of such. Indeed, you've also provided no evidence which suggests you understand any of my posts, so we can also apply DarthMetaKnight's Law^TM to that gap in your knowledge too.



Should I apply DarthMetaKnight's Law^TM to this statement too? Or would you like to start again, only this time without relying on clumsy fallacies?

You brought up the issue of your ethnicity, so it is my business till you answer it.
As calling people Marxists is somehow the top insult you can pay people, I've decided to no longer respond.
Marches and demonstrations are considered by the right to be radical, especially if the left is defending civil rights.
How am I trying to enact unequal rights? By admitting racism is real? I'm still waiting for your alternative.
By the way, I'd rather be a Marxist with my head in the wrong place but my heart in the right place, as opposed to being a right wing racist with both my head and heart being wrong.

If I could think of a valid concern that would be one reason but....'white culture is threatened by immigrants' is not something I see as a great reason for inhumane immigration and deportation policies for instance. I don't care that much about preserving white people, or whatever our white culture in america is supposed to be. Sure cultural preservation is nice but not when it conflicts with growth....Hell me and my brother have nordic decent in our blood and most of my brothers romantic interests have been hispanic, native american and asian girls should he deny that and just date white girls to stay in the blood line? Sounds pretty stupid.

Even actual white groups like Italians, Spanish, Armenians, and Georgians sometimes don't get considered white not just by rednecks but by mainstream white Bible Belters. They make it seem like there is only one white ethnic group when it isn't the case at all. My mother told me that even Cajuns weren't considered white and would get treated as second class. I have a black acquaintance in a Meet Up group I attend sometimes who is originally from Louisiana and she considers Cajun people to be brothers in suffering.

On my mother's side of the family, I have cousins who are half-Hispanic as well as some who are a quarter black. My grandfather himself was either half or a quarter Cherokee, I am not certain as he died before I could really know him. My younger brother's wife as well as my sister in heart is half-Hispanic and they have a baby who is my favorite nephew. I don't know what my future (if my fate isn't set in stone) girlfriend will be but I won't let anyone judge or mock me or her.

Might want to check your sense of entitlement there, Bill. Any and all personal information as pertains to myself falls squarely in the domain of my business and nobody else's.



Insult? It's a description of your stated ideological position. If you find it insulting you should ruminate on why that may be at your own discretion.



I'm not interested in whatever you perceive "the right" to believe. I deal with individuals and the arguments and positions they put on the table. Whatever hang-up you have regarding "the right" is between you and the construct you use to represent them.



You argued that you perceive Affirmative Action to be a right. You argued in favour of Affirmative Action. You support unequal rights.

That's fairly self-explanatory.



You can repeat the strawman as many times as you like, and rephrase it with as many variations as you can think of, you're not going to con me into defending arguments that I have not made.



Why not set your aspirations higher and be a liberal with his head and heart in the right place, with respect for the rights and responsibilities of the individual as opposed to the illiberal placement of collective identities over the individuals that comprise them?

Coming from you, "right wing racist" comes across as a tautology. You might not like to consider yourself a racist, but nor should you take pleasure in partisan bigotry if you genuinely consider yourself to be liberal.

It used to be the same in Australia. In the 1950s people were shocked to see people from the exotic lands of Italy and Greece, even though people from those placed are caucasian.

It seems funny that those WASPs could like listening to music like The Four Seasons yet hate Italians. Where do they think Vivaldi came from?

A good deal of western culture originated in Greece and Italy. Perhaps they thought western culture originated solely in England.

Those people are long dead now. If they were shocked at seeing Italians and Greeks in Australia they'd probably faint at the number of Chinese, Sudanese and Indians in Australia now.

This conversation has ceased being interesting a long time ago.