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02 Sep 2018, 5:13 pm

The_Walrus wrote:

I don't think there's any reason to think that Hillary would have started a war with Russia.

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It's a fact that the Russians meddled in the election.

Then why did the Assange camp claim that Russia had nothing to do with it, and that the leaked documents were provided by inside sources?

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02 Sep 2018, 11:10 pm

Maggie Haberman on CSPAN regarding Trump's relationship to the press as well as that of the last three presidents before him:

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04 Sep 2018, 6:24 am

SabbraCadabra wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

I don't think there's any reason to think that Hillary would have started a war with Russia.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall her talking about it during her campaign. Or at the very least, that was the word on the street.

It seemed like after the leak, Dems were awfully quick to jump to pointing fingers at Russia, and anything Assange had to say was quickly swept under the rug and forgotten.

I don't personally trust Assange as a reliable source. It's not like he's anonymous, exploiting injustices in the world. He seems to be at least vaguely partisan and it makes me very suspicious.

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It's a fact that the Russians meddled in the election.

Then why did the Assange camp claim that Russia had nothing to do with it, and that the leaked documents were provided by inside sources?

Don't believe everybody about hearsay. There's an official investigation process for a reason, that being that if we had all the facts then we wouldn't need one.

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04 Sep 2018, 7:10 am

SabbraCadabra wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

I don't think there's any reason to think that Hillary would have started a war with Russia.

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It's a fact that the Russians meddled in the election.

Then why did the Assange camp claim that Russia had nothing to do with it, and that the leaked documents were provided by inside sources?

Hillary was not stupid, she would have never declared war to such a nuclear power.
Beside, whatever Assange revealed is little fry compared to the Republican party corruption; not that corruption alone is sufficient to go against politicians when their opponent have fascist tendencies and discourses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hQvBIyOC6Y

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04 Sep 2018, 9:17 am

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In 2016 and looking back today, people have said they believe Hillary would not be as scary or horrible for America than Trump. Sure, Trump is no saint all the time either but I would have been much more concerned if Hillary did win the election. At least I see Trump actually shaking up and changing things mostly for the better of our country.

Why do people even believe that Hillary was the "less scary" of either?

One can't possibly be aware of what Trump's been doing as president and still ask this question.

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04 Sep 2018, 9:27 am

I thought Assange was a good guy at first, but the more I heard about him - let’s just say I align with David Berg rather than Assange now.

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05 Sep 2018, 4:13 pm

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If she had her way Al Qaeda, ISIS and the alphabet soup of Jihadi groups would be running wild and ruling Syria, which would be just like Libya now.

Libya is in a much, much better state right now than Syria. Obama's best decision was getting rid of Gadaffi. His worst one was not doing the same to Assad.

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What? The neocons are trying to make the situation worse with Korea. They would still be on the same path if Hillary was in charge.

Bush's rhetoric on North Korea never went as far as Trump's. Obama had successfully brought Cuba and Iran back into the fold before Trump pushed them out again, which undermines US credibility going forward and reduces the chance of a similar deal with North Korea.

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Those companies have been blackmailed by the government.

That's basically the opposite of what has happened. By admitting that they screwed up, they've made things much worse for themselves.

SabbraCadabra wrote:

Then why did the Assange camp claim that Russia had nothing to do with it...?

Sorry, I don't see the relevance of Assange? He's a criminal who has spent the last five years hiding from justice inside the Ecuadorean embassy in London. He doesn't have resources or skills comparable to the intelligence agencies; I fail to see how he'd be able to determine what the Russian government is up to. Never mind that he's probably the only public figure in the West who could realistically be described as more corrupt than Trump.

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06 Sep 2018, 2:30 am

The_Walrus wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

If she had her way Al Qaeda, ISIS and the alphabet soup of Jihadi groups would be running wild and ruling Syria, which would be just like Libya now.

Libya is in a much, much better state right now than Syria. Obama's best decision was getting rid of Gadaffi. His worst one was not doing the same to Assad.

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What? The neocons are trying to make the situation worse with Korea. They would still be on the same path if Hillary was in charge.

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Those companies have been blackmailed by the government.

That's basically the opposite of what has happened. By admitting that they screwed up, they've made things much worse for themselves.

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Then why did the Assange camp claim that Russia had nothing to do with it...?

Libya had one of the best living standards in Africa before Obama and Co worked their magic. It now has a slave trade market.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian. ... -migration
Destroying Libya also opened the flood gates and let millions of people pour through into Europe that has now seen the rise of the far right everywhere. Libya was one of the biggest disasters in history and people should be at the Hague for it. Thank God Syria and its allies were able to fight off the Western proxy Jihadists.

I'm talking about the neocons in the administration now. Bush is the one who started it all by putting North Korea in the 'axis of evil'. Obama just tried to make Cuba into a haven for US corporations.

They were forced to say they screwed up. Otherwise the government can destroy them.

Assange is a hero. It's so Orwellian that he is being painted as the villain.

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06 Sep 2018, 4:34 pm

The_Walrus wrote:

I was under the impression that Assange was responsible for obtaining and releasing the "leaked emails". Their story that the Russians didn't hack anything, and that insiders leaked the emails sounds logical to me.

The story that "Russian hackers tampered in the election so that Donald Trump would win" sounds like something from a bad SyFy Original movie.

"Intelligence agencies" work for the government. I've read 1984 too many times to believe that our government is anything even remotely approaching "honesty".

Anyway, my opinion doesn't mean much, I really don't follow these kinds of things at all.

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09 Sep 2018, 10:32 pm

America would be at war with Russia if Clinton won. I think they're both scary to tell you the truth.

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10 Sep 2018, 1:38 am

SabbraCadabra wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

If you don't trust US intelligence agencies, why would you trust the Russian ones? If anything they are even less trustworthy.

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10 Sep 2018, 1:24 pm

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America would be at war with Russia if Clinton won. I think they're both scary to tell you the truth.

We already are at war with Russia, it's a new cold war, or haven't you noticed?

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10 Sep 2018, 4:58 pm

The neocons are trying their best to stop the US having good relations with Russia. It seems Trump listened to Kissinger of all people who warned that Russia and China were forming an alliance. The neocons don't care though. War is all that matters to them. That's the whole reason for the anti Trump waves.

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10 Sep 2018, 5:51 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

And what is your logic that neocons want to keep the US from having good relations with Russia or China?

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10 Sep 2018, 6:44 pm

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And what is your logic that neocons want to keep the US from having good relations with Russia or China?

Cause they work for the military industrial complex. Watch John Pilger's film- The Coming War On China. The neocon plan in Syria was destroyed by Russia. Look back to General Wesley Clarke saying that the US had plans to take out 7 countries in 5 years after 9/11. Of course it didnt happen that quickly and now the plan is in tatters.

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11 Sep 2018, 2:01 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:

The difficulty in answering your question is not that it can't be answered but that the perceptions of HRC by her detractors do not allow them to accept the answer.

Her detractors see her as exceptionally corrupt and that makes any claims of benevolence be instantly rejected by their psyche.

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