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15 Feb 2019, 10:44 am

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...if you are born in america, you are simply an american no matter where your ancestors came from...

Sounds like John Wayne. It denies the disapora experience in America. It's not wrong to acknowledge that, whether it's Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, or whatever. It's essentially anti-multicultural and nativist.



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15 Feb 2019, 10:50 am

Jordan Peterson interview with Sean Plunket prefaced by an interview with a spokesperson from the group who claimed that Jordan 'threatens everything NZ stands for'.

Also he does take a momentary shot at Vox Day's Jordanetics book albeit it's brief.


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15 Feb 2019, 11:07 am

AspE wrote:
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...if you are born in america, you are simply an american no matter where your ancestors came from...

Sounds like John Wayne. It denies the disapora experience in America. It's not wrong to acknowledge that, whether it's Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, or whatever. It's essentially anti-multicultural and nativist.


All I can say is listen to the black Americans who don't like people labeling them as African Americans, especially when they are mislabeled and their family didn't even come from Africa.



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15 Feb 2019, 8:03 pm

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And I rest my case.

Rubin and his fans have no reason to act like moral crusaders, when they clearly don't value and act out their own "principles".


TDW - The Intellectually Dishonest Web

So common sense is now considered 'dishonest?' Moral crusaders that abandon logic, sure, lets see if we can find more of them to listen to. Lets analyse their arguments, women and men have no meaning, you can be a biological man and enter women's sports as long as you call yourself a woman yet they also insist that gender is a spectrum which is true, a spectrum of feminism and masculinity thus every single person has their own mixture of said qualities, so truly what the 'social science of gender' states is every single person has their own gender which makes gender science pretty obsolete, conclusion being that we are all individuals. Yet the reality is it takes a biological man and a biological woman to produce a child.

What is this? Why are you talking about gender and sex?

The IDW whines every time a bigot like Milo gets de-platformed, or college students create a safe space. But they partake in the same behavior when it comes to socialists and communists.

Isn't that hypocritical? Dishonest?

Why should people take the IDW seriously if they can't practice what they preach?



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15 Feb 2019, 9:50 pm

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AspE wrote:
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...if you are born in america, you are simply an american no matter where your ancestors came from...

Sounds like John Wayne. It denies the disapora experience in America. It's not wrong to acknowledge that, whether it's Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, or whatever. It's essentially anti-multicultural and nativist.


All I can say is listen to the black Americans who don't like people labeling them as African Americans, especially when they are mislabeled and their family didn't even come from Africa.

How didn't a black American come from Africa? I'm sure you found a conservative shill that says things you like, but that's not representative.



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15 Feb 2019, 11:27 pm

The difference between Black People and African Americans


"While African Americans are the largest racial minority in the United States, there are many other groups of people that have dark-skinned members. These include some people from the Caribbean (Jamaica, Virgin Islands, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Haiti, Martinique, etc.), Pakistan, South America, Europe, Southern India, Mexico, Cuba, and also dark-skinned Creoles, Native Americans, as well as mid-eastern groups from Sudan and Saudi Arabia, newly immigrated Africans, and a variety of multi-racial people."

Now, if you want to suggest that all black people originally came from Africa, let me point out that all homo-sapiens came from Africa, so technically, no mater what race you are you can trace your roots back to Africa. To add, being I grew up in a county with 70% blacks, I can inform you a lot of them question how they were born in America yet are called "African Americans" when they are truly "Black Americans". Not all of them say that, but many do, I can promise you none of them were conservatives.



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15 Feb 2019, 11:29 pm

RushKing wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
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And I rest my case.

Rubin and his fans have no reason to act like moral crusaders, when they clearly don't value and act out their own "principles".


TDW - The Intellectually Dishonest Web

So common sense is now considered 'dishonest?' Moral crusaders that abandon logic, sure, lets see if we can find more of them to listen to. Lets analyse their arguments, women and men have no meaning, you can be a biological man and enter women's sports as long as you call yourself a woman yet they also insist that gender is a spectrum which is true, a spectrum of feminism and masculinity thus every single person has their own mixture of said qualities, so truly what the 'social science of gender' states is every single person has their own gender which makes gender science pretty obsolete, conclusion being that we are all individuals. Yet the reality is it takes a biological man and a biological woman to produce a child.

What is this? Why are you talking about gender and sex?

The IDW whines every time a bigot like Milo gets de-platformed, or college students create a safe space. But they partake in the same behavior when it comes to socialists and communists.

Isn't that hypocritical? Dishonest?

Why should people take the IDW seriously if they can't practice what they preach?


Nevermind, this is getting boring.



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16 Feb 2019, 9:49 am

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...Now, if you want to suggest that all black people originally came from Africa, let me point out that all homo-sapiens came from Africa, so technically, no mater what race you are you can trace your roots back to Africa. To add, being I grew up in a county with 70% blacks, I can inform you a lot of them question how they were born in America yet are called "African Americans" when they are truly "Black Americans". Not all of them say that, but many do, I can promise you none of them were conservatives.

Yeah, we all came from Africa, but there is a huge time gap there. Caribbean blacks descended from African slaves. Only a couple hundred years ago. Regardless, they all had to experience the same racist conditions in America, and deserve our consideration for that.



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16 Feb 2019, 11:10 am

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...Now, if you want to suggest that all black people originally came from Africa, let me point out that all homo-sapiens came from Africa, so technically, no mater what race you are you can trace your roots back to Africa. To add, being I grew up in a county with 70% blacks, I can inform you a lot of them question how they were born in America yet are called "African Americans" when they are truly "Black Americans". Not all of them say that, but many do, I can promise you none of them were conservatives.

Yeah, we all came from Africa, but there is a huge time gap there. Caribbean blacks descended from African slaves. Only a couple hundred years ago. Regardless, they all had to experience the same racist conditions in America, and deserve our consideration for that.


Yes, I'm aware of that slave were taken everywhere. But what I see wrong is, one, blacks in America don't really face as much racism to date, the age of white supremacy is dramatically reduced, they are a dying breed due to education and mixing races(people of different races living within the same communities). Socially we are adapting to each-other, we are even mating with each other. What's sad is the thing I have pointed out to a lot of people in the past, human nature. If we magically all became the same race, rather than being hateful towards people of another race we would simply hate others based on where they are from, opinions and beliefs they hold. That probably has a lot to do with individuality and prejudgment, an evolutionary tool that is required by most species. "Looks like a door knob on a door, I can try to turn it, it will either be locked or I will be able to turn it and open the door. The sad thing is how the 'hip hop culture has evolved'.

Our past with racism and slavery and our government failing to make up for the wrong doings of the past. What I'm speaking on is the history of freed slaves still facing racist laws and racist people, being told they can't go to schools, being piled in to 'black only' neighborhoods. That is why things are as they are today, where a lot of 'blacks' which came from the slave trade in America tend to be racist against all whites(Not all of them but a very large percentage). There are so many things that could be brought up to show how things evolved the way they did within 'ghetto culture'. Now, they do make up the majority of blacks in America, but you have other black migrating here from other countries, even Africa(By free will). The majority of these black had to work hard and have good education or good trade skills and have money to get here, these blacks do not suffer as the original blacks in America. Their neighbor hoods are a lot better, way more of them actually fill colleges and universities than blacks belonging to 'ghetto culture'. They tend to like to be distinct from 'ghetto culture' and do no particularly like to be called 'African Americans'.

To make things more complex, as humanity is, because we do have equal opportunity these days, (Guessing)I think about a third of blacks who came from american slaves have made it out of 'ghetto culture'. The shocking thing which is due to very poor neighborhoods and lack of education and policing and 'prison culture'(Something the Clinton's caused to escalate(Don't forget that)), when blacks make it out of ghetto's and become successful and pass wealth down to their children(The typical American dream) the mostly become outcasts to the black who remain in ghetto culture. (Uncle Tom). They also more prefer to not like to be called African Americans. It's no big mystery, you can acknowledge ancestry, but please notice, Caucasian, Asian, "African American"(for blacks). Some rightly take offense to that. Truly, when you are born in America, you are an American, no matter what race you are, you personally originated from America. I'm not just making this stuff up because I find it fun(It's rather boring), I'm simply relaying my years of conversations with many blacks as well as seeing blacks speak on youtube.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but these are the things I have come to learn.



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16 Feb 2019, 11:33 am

Ask people what they want to be called. Black is the most popular term, followed by African-American. Some prefer Jamaican or Haitian or other things.

We should probably just ignore for now your insinuation that racism is largely a thing of the past.



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16 Feb 2019, 12:55 pm

Good video. Seems fair.



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16 Feb 2019, 5:23 pm

God, the unintentional irony of the guy who likes to go on about how brainwashed everyone else is by the media posting KGB-TV YouBoob propaganda videos. :lol:



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16 Feb 2019, 5:30 pm

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God, the unintentional irony of the guy who likes to go on about how brainwashed everyone else is by the media posting KGB-TV YouBoob propaganda videos. :lol:

No dude, Putin is the only one you can trust! He wouldn't lie to us, he's already rich!