Debunking 'Gender is a social contruct.'
CockneyRebel
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I'm sorry if you did.
To me, a toilet is a toilet. They make the same brand of toilets in both men's and women's washrooms. I would just go in, do my stuff, and get out.
I think women's bathrooms have more privacy, anyway----because they have stalls, rather than urinals.
But I get where you're coming from, too.
I've never really had bad experiences. If the place that I'm at doesn't have a unisex washroom, I'd rather hold it in until I get home if possible. I don't like how public places have the modern male and female washrooms back to back and than there's no unisex washroom that I can use. I'd rather use the men's room to be honest.
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I certainly sympathize with some of the concerns brought up in this thread, but I'm just don't believe you can force societal changes through legislation. You can't demonize someone who is uncomfortable with allowing a biological male in their space in a locker room, and tell them they need to change their attitude. We're in new territory, here. It's going to take time to find our way.
It's so enjoyable though.
Planet Fitness revokes the membership of a woman (left) who complained about a "man in the women's locker room" (right).
For me, it's so wonderful to see people get bent out of shape about having the WRONG WORLDVIEW, I think, because as ASD person we're told all our lives that WE'RE WRONG.
"Man in women's locker room" Schadenfreude!
https://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/10/ ... ocker-room
That's a pretty childish, vindictive attitude, but whatever.
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From Wiki: "Homosexual agenda (or gay agenda) is a term introduced by sectors of the Christian religious right (primarily in the United States) as a disparaging way to describe the advocacy of cultural acceptance and normalization of non-heterosexual orientations and relationships. The term refers to efforts to change government policies and laws on LGBT rights-related issues. Additionally, it has been used by social conservatives and others to describe alleged goals of LGBT rights activists, such as recruiting heterosexuals into what they term a "homosexual lifestyle".
So as others have said on this other boards why would you support civil political etc rights and freedoms for people w/developmental disabilities and not those of people of other genders? The US is already far far too heavily politically influenced by Christian right in many many areas of public life and I for one am sick of it. You wanna follow your bible? Go to church and leave the rest of us alone! I don't have time for social conservatives b/c they have throughout history and will continue to come after us as the developmentally disabled like they always have every community that doesn't comform to their puritanical archaic worldview. f**k that s**t!
I want equality for everyone and it'll be over my dead body before someone denies the Queer community to live their lives w/the same freedoms the rest of us have and are entitled to. One of you used the outrageous term I referenced above "the Queer Agenda". Now you know where it comes from and what bs it is should we block and oppose the ASD social agenda? You REALLY want us all to shoot ourself in the leg by doing that? Try putting your thinking cap on before spouting offensive drivel like that.
So as others have said on this other boards why would you support civil political etc rights and freedoms for people w/developmental disabilities and not those of people of other genders? The US is already far far too heavily politically influenced by Christian right in many many areas of public life and I for one am sick of it. You wanna follow your bible? Go to church and leave the rest of us alone! I don't have time for social conservatives b/c they have throughout history and will continue to come after us as the developmentally disabled like they always have every community that doesn't comform to their puritanical archaic worldview. f**k that s**t!
I want equality for everyone and it'll be over my dead body before someone denies the Queer community to live their lives w/the same freedoms the rest of us have and are entitled to. One of you used the outrageous term I referenced above "the Queer Agenda". Now you know where it comes from and what bs it is should we block and oppose the ASD social agenda? You REALLY want us all to shoot ourself in the leg by doing that? Try putting your thinking cap on before spouting offensive drivel like that.
In my former church, they would call it the “homosexual agenda” or, most often, “gay propaganda.” Any positive depiction of people in the LGBT community in the media was, to them, an example of “gay propaganda.” Revolting! At one religious convention, they showed this movie depicting a member of the church being attacked for not buying a rubber bracelet with a rainbow flag on it from someone raising awareness for gay rights. This imaginary scenario was heralded as “religious persecution.” They just can’t see that they are doing far more fighting from a place of hate than the group they denounce. It’s sickening.
I have a similar reaction when I hear people speaking out against the idea of a man posing as someone who is gender nonconformist to use the women’s changing room to prey on women. The Duggars were coming out very strongly on this issue from their extreme right, Christian, conservative stance. It wasn’t too long after one occasion when they had the platform to push their hate “agenda” particularly far when it came out that Josh Duggar had molested some young women (mostly his sisters).
Fundamentalist Christians who speak out the loudest against the LGBT community have even more trouble protecting women and children than the group they are denouncing. Maybe they should fix their own problems first before trying to find problems where there aren’t any. It just makes them look ridiculous. My former religion also really struggles in this regard and has been referred to as a “pedophile paradise” and yet, in the past, they have accused gay men of being predatory.
Extreme right, Christian groups frequently speak of the “need” to nurture “strong men” because, apparently, any hint of feminine behavior is “weak.” That’s extremely troubling. I think the current push for diversity is empowering because it’s breaking barriers and unhealthy stereotypes which is allowing people to be their authentic selves.
I have lots of experience with having to live life in a little box, and it was far from pleasant. That’s not the type of world that I want to raise my son in.
I certainly sympathize with some of the concerns brought up in this thread, but I'm just don't believe you can force societal changes through legislation. You can't demonize someone who is uncomfortable with allowing a biological male in their space in a locker room, and tell them they need to change their attitude. We're in new territory, here. It's going to take time to find our way.
I don't think you can legislate away people's attitudes either; however, sometimes, the government needs to consider whether they're going to come down on the side of people's rights, or their "comfort."
A lot of people weren't "comfortable" when segregation was ended, either.
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The kicker is, I'm biologically female and do not identify as a man. Why should I be forced to hold it in just because some random bimbo is "uncomfortable" with me in the bathroom?
That's f****d up dude , I'd be inclined to get my genitals out to shut down that kind of crap.
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^ Thanks.
The full story is that I was washing my hands in the restroom when a woman came up to me and claimed I was in the wrong bathroom, and that I was scaring her daughter.
I replied that I was female, and I proceeded to show her my driver's license as proof.
She huffed and said, "Well, people like you shouldn't be allowed in public restrooms!" before stomping off.
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-XFG (no longer a moderator)
I certainly sympathize with some of the concerns brought up in this thread, but I'm just don't believe you can force societal changes through legislation. You can't demonize someone who is uncomfortable with allowing a biological male in their space in a locker room, and tell them they need to change their attitude. We're in new territory, here. It's going to take time to find our way.
I don't think you can legislate away people's attitudes either; however, sometimes, the government needs to consider whether they're going to come down on the side of people's rights, or their "comfort."
A lot of people weren't "comfortable" when segregation was ended, either.
I get your point, but I'm still very leery of social engineering through legislation. That's where I diverge from progressives, and don my libertarian cap, I suppose. I believe society can become more understanding and tolerant through means other than implicating laws.
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The full story is that I was washing my hands in the restroom when a woman came up to me and claimed I was in the wrong bathroom, and that I was scaring her daughter.
I replied that I was female, and I proceeded to show her my driver's license as proof.
She huffed and said, "Well, people like you shouldn't be allowed in public restrooms!" before stomping off.
Well I suppose that's puts a different slant on the matter , if a kid doesn't have the awareness to know the difference then I could see how it would be scary for the kid. It explains the mothers behaviour but doesn't excuse it.
Then again it sounds like the kid story was just an excuse for the mother's failings .
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The full story is that I was washing my hands in the restroom when a woman came up to me and claimed I was in the wrong bathroom, and that I was scaring her daughter.
I replied that I was female, and I proceeded to show her my driver's license as proof.
She huffed and said, "Well, people like you shouldn't be allowed in public restrooms!" before stomping off.
That's weird. Some people, especially older, appear quite genderless. Should they not be allowed to use public restrooms because of it?
Never came across anything like this, maybe I'm just lucky (people sometimes called me 'sir' or 'dude' by mistake, esp. when I had short hair, but never any problems because of it)
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The full story is that I was washing my hands in the restroom when a woman came up to me and claimed I was in the wrong bathroom, and that I was scaring her daughter.
I replied that I was female, and I proceeded to show her my driver's license as proof.
She huffed and said, "Well, people like you shouldn't be allowed in public restrooms!" before stomping off.
You do not have to show her your driver's license
Nobody needs a driver's license to go to the bathroom
But I know you were just trying to appease her
Failed
She could have destroyed your driver's license
According to that woman, only cisgender people should be allowed to go to public bathrooms
That's a long way from, just ignorance.
Everyone is ignorant
She truly believes that only cisgender people should be in public bathrooms
Everyone else, private bathroom or public urination
Please do not take it personally
That woman is homophobic
I understand they are for erasing the "male" and "female" terms form the dictionary?
Some new words would be invented with exactly the same meaning, because in reproductive physiology, we just need those terms.
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Some new words would be invented with exactly the same meaning, because in reproductive physiology, we just need those terms.
I haven't seen anything about that, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
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Oscar Meyer Lansky
Some new words would be invented with exactly the same meaning, because in reproductive physiology, we just need those terms.
I haven't seen anything about that, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
How else do they want to teach reproductive anatomy without using these words? Make it taboo? No male or female ducks or lizards? Or using these words talking of animals would be okay but not about humans?
I just don't get it.
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