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kraftiekortie
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29 Dec 2019, 4:31 pm

Lend-Lease from the US was indispensable in helping the UK hold off the Nazis.



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29 Dec 2019, 4:49 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Lend-Lease from the US was indispensable in helping the UK hold off the Nazis.

Come off it. I am sure the British, with all their money, and raw materials from their vast, overseas Colonial Empire, could have fended off the Nazis by themselves. After all, they did have the largest Empire in the history of all the world.



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29 Dec 2019, 7:15 pm

I think the spirit of the UK people was significant, too.

Maybe you’re right. Maybe they would have held off the Nazis alone, like the North Vietnamese held off the Americans.



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29 Dec 2019, 7:24 pm

All this doesn’t matter.

The Russians and the other Allies were indispensable to each other.

Why argue over technicalities?

The Russians certainly made the most sacrifices macrocosmically.

I give the Russians great credit for defeating the Nazis. They sort of sucked after the War, though.



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29 Dec 2019, 9:10 pm

Metal Rat wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
QFT wrote:
Metal Rat wrote:
QFT wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
You just want to argue.

The Russians sacrificed the most, by far.


Maybe you are on to something that I miss. I was assuming that people who don't say Russians contributed the most also wouldn't say they sacrificed the most yet you do. So what is the difference between contributing the most and sacrificing the most in this case?

I guess if US was bombing Germany from planes while Russians were fighting them on foot then yes I can see how this can happen. But, from what I know, the US didn't do either of these two things until the war was almost over.

Intriguing point. America entered the war merely around 1941.


So did Russia. But America was focused on Japan and Russia was focused on Germany. I think it was around 1944 when America became fully involved with Germany.


Actually Roosevelt had promised Churchill that the emphasis of the war would be Europe first, then the Allies could turn their full attention to the Pacific.

For some odd reason, I never really felt much patriotism about US Involvement in The Second World War. Most do, but I do not. After all, Roosevelt's Americans operated much more like Stalin's Russians and Hitler's Germans than most would care to remember. After all, America had its very own Prison Camps back then, and one would be shocked to know about all the war crimes the US Military carried out during "The Good War". After all, what is so very good about it? One really has to wonder.


To be sure, there were atrocities committed on the battle field as well as prisoner of war camps. That said, the Soviets and the Axis had everyone else beat in that regard.


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