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20 Aug 2020, 8:51 am

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I do find it rather humerous that the party that was in favour of removing statues of former slave owners and taking down portraits of former speakers of the house who owned slaves is actively endorsing a descendent of slave owners (as far as is currently known) for Vice President.

It's nice to see that they are so willing to demonstrate their consistency and strength of their beliefs.
This is the very point I have been trying to make,maybe I haven't made it as well as I should have but Brictoria surely hit the nail on the head.


That is a false equivalency. Statues and portraits of the likeness of actual slave owners is way different than someone 'maybe' being the descendant of an owner. There is just as much if not more evidence that she's a descendant of slaves. Where do black people from Jamaica come from? Some of the content in this thread has veered into belittling territory, but I have actually made a persuasive argument using information we can all access. sigh



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20 Aug 2020, 12:21 pm

Brictoria wrote:
I do find it rather humerous that the party that was in favour of removing statues of former slave owners and taking down portraits of former speakers of the house who owned slaves is actively endorsing a descendent of slave owners (as far as is currently known) for Vice President.

It's nice to see that they are so willing to demonstrate their consistency and strength of their beliefs.


So... Kamala Harris is older than John McCain and Biden combined, and was the rare woman who served in the Confederate Army during the American Civil War? I didnt know THAT!


Well in THAT case lets have her tarred and feathered and run outa town on a rail!

Now that youve told me that she is in the same category as Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, and that she herself owned slaves and was a Confederate war hero...I guess we cant make her veep!

Here I thought that you were punishing her for crimes of her ancestor. I didnt know that she was pushing 200 years old.



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20 Aug 2020, 12:56 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
I do find it rather humerous that the party that was in favour of removing statues of former slave owners and taking down portraits of former speakers of the house who owned slaves is actively endorsing a descendent of slave owners (as far as is currently known) for Vice President.

It's nice to see that they are so willing to demonstrate their consistency and strength of their beliefs.
This is the very point I have been trying to make,maybe I haven't made it as well as I should have but Brictoria surely hit the nail on the head.


It's not really a point and neither of you have said anything substantial. Kamala Harris still isn't responsible for the actions of her ancestors and no one's advocating for putting up a monument to any of her ancestors, slave owners or otherwise.

Inventing a purity test to judge her by on an issue that you don't care about is blatant intellectual dishonesty.


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20 Aug 2020, 1:00 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
I do find it rather humerous that the party that was in favour of removing statues of former slave owners and taking down portraits of former speakers of the house who owned slaves is actively endorsing a descendent of slave owners (as far as is currently known) for Vice President.

It's nice to see that they are so willing to demonstrate their consistency and strength of their beliefs.
This is the very point I have been trying to make,maybe I haven't made it as well as I should have but Brictoria surely hit the nail on the head.


It's not really a point and neither of you have said anything substantial. Kamala Harris still isn't responsible for the actions of her ancestors and no one's advocating for putting up a monument to any of her ancestors, slave owners or otherwise.

Inventing a purity test to judge her by on an issue that you don't care about is blatant intellectual dishonesty.


Not judging Harris as a person doesn't negate the inappropriateness of this in a post 8:46 on may 25th George Floyd world,it's a different world than it was before may 25 2020.


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20 Aug 2020, 1:01 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
I do find it rather humerous that the party that was in favour of removing statues of former slave owners and taking down portraits of former speakers of the house who owned slaves is actively endorsing a descendent of slave owners (as far as is currently known) for Vice President.

It's nice to see that they are so willing to demonstrate their consistency and strength of their beliefs.
This is the very point I have been trying to make,maybe I haven't made it as well as I should have but Brictoria surely hit the nail on the head.


It's not really a point and neither of you have said anything substantial. Kamala Harris still isn't responsible for the actions of her ancestors and no one's advocating for putting up a monument to any of her ancestors, slave owners or otherwise.

Inventing a purity test to judge her by on an issue that you don't care about is blatant intellectual dishonesty.


Not judging Harris as a person doesn't negate the inappropriateness of this in a post 8:46 on may 25th George Floyd world,it's a different world than it was before may 25 2020.


Really, what's changed? You've used that slogan repeatedly but nothing's changed in the world and nothing has changed about your posts so clearly you don't actually believe it.

A few statues have been toppled, beyond that what has changed or been improved?


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20 Aug 2020, 1:36 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
I do find it rather humerous that the party that was in favour of removing statues of former slave owners and taking down portraits of former speakers of the house who owned slaves is actively endorsing a descendent of slave owners (as far as is currently known) for Vice President.

It's nice to see that they are so willing to demonstrate their consistency and strength of their beliefs.
This is the very point I have been trying to make,maybe I haven't made it as well as I should have but Brictoria surely hit the nail on the head.


It's not really a point and neither of you have said anything substantial. Kamala Harris still isn't responsible for the actions of her ancestors and no one's advocating for putting up a monument to any of her ancestors, slave owners or otherwise.

Inventing a purity test to judge her by on an issue that you don't care about is blatant intellectual dishonesty.


Not judging Harris as a person doesn't negate the inappropriateness of this in a post 8:46 on may 25th George Floyd world,it's a different world than it was before may 25 2020.


Really, what's changed? You've used that slogan repeatedly but nothing's changed in the world and nothing has changed about your posts so clearly you don't actually believe it.

A few statues have been toppled, beyond that what has changed or been improved?
My state will likely change it's flag and a massive overhaul of policing laws.Towns all over my state are establishing civilian/police oversight committees to over see police behavior.The police chief of a local town near me was fired and is facing a major lawsuit,people are taking race more serious since may 25th 2020.


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20 Aug 2020, 2:09 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
I do find it rather humerous that the party that was in favour of removing statues of former slave owners and taking down portraits of former speakers of the house who owned slaves is actively endorsing a descendent of slave owners (as far as is currently known) for Vice President.

It's nice to see that they are so willing to demonstrate their consistency and strength of their beliefs.
This is the very point I have been trying to make,maybe I haven't made it as well as I should have but Brictoria surely hit the nail on the head.


It's not really a point and neither of you have said anything substantial. Kamala Harris still isn't responsible for the actions of her ancestors and no one's advocating for putting up a monument to any of her ancestors, slave owners or otherwise.

Inventing a purity test to judge her by on an issue that you don't care about is blatant intellectual dishonesty.


Not judging Harris as a person doesn't negate the inappropriateness of this in a post 8:46 on may 25th George Floyd world,it's a different world than it was before may 25 2020.


Really, what's changed? You've used that slogan repeatedly but nothing's changed in the world and nothing has changed about your posts so clearly you don't actually believe it.

A few statues have been toppled, beyond that what has changed or been improved?
My state will likely change it's flag and a massive overhaul of policing laws.Towns all over my state are establishing civilian/police oversight committees to over see police behavior.The police chief of a local town near me was fired and is facing a major lawsuit,people are taking race more serious since may 25th 2020.


So what?

How does that make Kamala Harris guilty of crimes committed by an alleged ancestor 150 years ago?



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20 Aug 2020, 2:14 pm

Kamala Harris is not responsible for her ancestors behavior but Biden is guilty of poor taste and not taking race more serious in a post may 25 2020 world.

Do I have to make that point 100 more times.I'm a poor verbal communicator,Brictoria summed it up best in her sublime post,re read that.


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20 Aug 2020, 2:18 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Kamala Harris is not responsible for her ancestors behavior but Biden is guilty of poor taste and not taking race more serious in a post may 25 2020 world.

Do I have to make that point 100 more times.I'm a poor verbal communicator,Brictoria summed it up best in her sublime post,re read that.


He is taking race seriously, we disagree with your take and have explained why. That's why we're pointing out that her ancestor isn't relevant, because that one issue doesn't make or break whether or not he's taking race seriously. Harris and Biden are both imperfect, but that doesn't make your point stand.

You've communicated your point adequately, just many of us don't agree with it.

Also, I'm pretty sure Bric is a man.


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20 Aug 2020, 2:20 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Kamala Harris is not responsible for her ancestors behavior but Biden is guilty of poor taste and not taking race more serious in a post may 25 2020 world.

Do I have to make that point 100 more times.I'm a poor verbal communicator,Brictoria summed it up best in her sublime post,re read that.



Well... if she is not guilty of her ancestor's crimes then how exactly is it in "poor taste, and not taking race relations seriously"?

And its obvious from the color of her skin that she ALSO had ancestors who were slaves, and likely several times as many slave ancestors as slave owner ancestors anyway.

And Brictoria failed to make any point at all except to make a false equivalency. So I even wouldnt mention her post if I were you. What Brictoria said would only apply if Harris were a 200 year old man who had served in the Confederate army, and were now running for VP.



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20 Aug 2020, 2:33 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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Kamala Harris is not responsible for her ancestors behavior but Biden is guilty of poor taste and not taking race more serious in a post may 25 2020 world.

Do I have to make that point 100 more times.I'm a poor verbal communicator,Brictoria summed it up best in her sublime post,re read that.



Well... if she is not guilty of her ancestor's crimes then how exactly is it in "poor taste, and not taking race relations seriously"?

And its obvious from the color of her skin that she ALSO had ancestors who were slaves, and likely several times as many slave ancestors as slave owner ancestors anyway.

And Brictoria failed to make any point at all except to make a false equivalency. So I even wouldnt mention her post if I were you. What Brictoria said would only apply if Harris were a 200 year old man who had served in the Confederate army, and were now running for VP.


Rationalize and rationalize if Biden is what you really want,just watch out what you wish for because you may well get it.

I'm not a great communicator, I usually stick to news and current events and not politics.But if you really believe what the Democratic party has to offer is best for America,suite your self,I can't pursuade you.


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20 Aug 2020, 2:48 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Kamala Harris is not responsible for her ancestors behavior but Biden is guilty of poor taste and not taking race more serious in a post may 25 2020 world.


Lemme know if I'm wrong, please, but what I think you're saying is only that it seems like crappy timing on Bidens end to pick her because people will likely pounce on this and use it against him.

If that's a good summary and I'm no that's way off base, I can see your point. But the thing is, the bulk of people who will care about that are people who are already against him and just looking for more reasons to do so. Most people who like him won't care for whatever their reason might be.

Personally, I'm one of the people who won't care, and it's not because I like him. I tend to look at where candidates stand on issues and vote with whoever is most in line with my priorities, regardless of their political leaning. Her family tree is irrelevant to me because of that.



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20 Aug 2020, 3:20 pm

FleaOfTheChill wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Kamala Harris is not responsible for her ancestors behavior but Biden is guilty of poor taste and not taking race more serious in a post may 25 2020 world.


Lemme know if I'm wrong, please, but what I think you're saying is only that it seems like crappy timing on Bidens end to pick her because people will likely pounce on this and use it against him.

If that's a good summary and I'm no that's way off base, I can see your point. But the thing is, the bulk of people who will care about that are people who are already against him and just looking for more reasons to do so. Most people who like him won't care for whatever their reason might be.

Personally, I'm one of the people who won't care, and it's not because I like him. I tend to look at where candidates stand on issues and vote with whoever is most in line with my priorities, regardless of their political leaning. Her family tree is irrelevant to me because of that.
The point is Biden does have have the judgement to be Commander in Chief.


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20 Aug 2020, 3:59 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
FleaOfTheChill wrote:
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Kamala Harris is not responsible for her ancestors behavior but Biden is guilty of poor taste and not taking race more serious in a post may 25 2020 world.


Lemme know if I'm wrong, please, but what I think you're saying is only that it seems like crappy timing on Bidens end to pick her because people will likely pounce on this and use it against him.

If that's a good summary and I'm no that's way off base, I can see your point. But the thing is, the bulk of people who will care about that are people who are already against him and just looking for more reasons to do so. Most people who like him won't care for whatever their reason might be.

Personally, I'm one of the people who won't care, and it's not because I like him. I tend to look at where candidates stand on issues and vote with whoever is most in line with my priorities, regardless of their political leaning. Her family tree is irrelevant to me because of that.
The point is Biden does have have the judgement to be Commander in Chief.


I was struggling to follow this thread and wasn't sure if it had to do with you seeing it as some kind of pc faux pas, hypocrisy, shocking act in the middle of race issues being addressed more than ever, some combination of all or none of the above. I don't think I was being clear before. Sorry about that. I know you mention George Floyd and I was hoping to connect the dots there. I dunno if I might making sense. :lol: I hope I am.



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20 Aug 2020, 4:31 pm

The fact that so many of you are touting a petulant casino magnate as the polar opposite of corruption basically says that you would give him your money without thinking, because that's how his business works.


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20 Aug 2020, 8:49 pm

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The point is Biden does have have the judgement to be Commander in Chief.


Compared to a "man" that abandoned our allies on the battlefield, took the word of our enemies over those of our military and intelligence services, prefers dictators over our democratic allies, mobilized the military against its own citizens, and dodged the draft, Biden has brilliant judgement. You certainly don't need to like Biden, but to even think there is a real choice between a competent Commander and Chief in this election is frankly shameful.