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23 Aug 2020, 12:54 pm

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I know that the republicans may and likely hate me and look down on me for being poor and living on disability,but there honest about it.The left really in truth feels the same way but lies to appear more benevolent.

I am going to vote for the party that at least tells the truth,and so should you!

This is the main idea behind my post,the post has gotten off topic,lets get back to discussion of the statement I made above.Or don't respond and forget the thread but continual off topic posts and I'll request a lock of the thread.

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But they don't tell the truth about it. The concept that poor people deserve their poverty is a stereotype they simply push (they did not invent it as it is very old, but they certainly refined it). There is no reality in it. The sad thing is the poor have bought into it. This has a long and well studied history, including how the poor have been co-opted by the rich to maintain the status quo.

The Democrats on the other hand understand the systemic barriers that the poor face and they are trying to address those. This also has a long and well studied history.



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23 Aug 2020, 1:11 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I know that the republicans may and likely hate me and look down on me for being poor and living on disability,but there honest about it.The left really in truth feels the same way but lies to appear more benevolent.

I am going to vote for the party that at least tells the truth,and so should you!

This is the main idea behind my post,the post has gotten off topic,lets get back to discussion of the statement I made above.Or don't respond and forget the thread but continual off topic posts and I'll request a lock of the thread.

Thanks :)


But they don't tell the truth about it. The concept that poor people deserve their poverty is a stereotype they simply push (they did not invent it as it is very old, but they certainly refined it). There is no reality in it. The sad thing is the poor have bought into it. This has a long and well studied history, including how the poor have been co-opted by the rich to maintain the status quo.

The Democrats on the other hand understand the systemic barriers that the poor face and they are trying to address those. This also has a long and well studied history.

The libs despise the poor more than anyone.They find them disgusting and repugnant to the core.They hate the way they talk and live there lives in general.

They hate uneducated people to the core and of coarse those living in real poverty have no access to education.

Pay attention to what the liberals are really are saying with there words.

You don't have to pay close attention to what the conservatives say,they say what they think in a crude,blunt point blank Manor,in your face obvious.


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23 Aug 2020, 1:32 pm

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Jiheisho wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I know that the republicans may and likely hate me and look down on me for being poor and living on disability,but there honest about it.The left really in truth feels the same way but lies to appear more benevolent.

I am going to vote for the party that at least tells the truth,and so should you!

This is the main idea behind my post,the post has gotten off topic,lets get back to discussion of the statement I made above.Or don't respond and forget the thread but continual off topic posts and I'll request a lock of the thread.

Thanks :)


But they don't tell the truth about it. The concept that poor people deserve their poverty is a stereotype they simply push (they did not invent it as it is very old, but they certainly refined it). There is no reality in it. The sad thing is the poor have bought into it. This has a long and well studied history, including how the poor have been co-opted by the rich to maintain the status quo.

The Democrats on the other hand understand the systemic barriers that the poor face and they are trying to address those. This also has a long and well studied history.

The libs despise the poor more than anyone.They find them disgusting and repugnant to the core.They hate the way they talk and live there lives in general.

They hate uneducated people to the core and of coarse those living in real poverty have no access to education.

Pay attention to what the liberals are really are saying with there words.

You don't have to pay close attention to what the conservatives say,they say what they think in a crude,blunt point blank Manor,in your face obvious.


So that is why liberals support social programs and conservative don't.



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23 Aug 2020, 1:51 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I know that the republicans may and likely hate me and look down on me for being poor and living on disability,but there honest about it.The left really in truth feels the same way but lies to appear more benevolent.

I am going to vote for the party that at least tells the truth,and so should you!

This is the main idea behind my post,the post has gotten off topic,lets get back to discussion of the statement I made above.Or don't respond and forget the thread but continual off topic posts and I'll request a lock of the thread.

Thanks :)


But they don't tell the truth about it. The concept that poor people deserve their poverty is a stereotype they simply push (they did not invent it as it is very old, but they certainly refined it). There is no reality in it. The sad thing is the poor have bought into it. This has a long and well studied history, including how the poor have been co-opted by the rich to maintain the status quo.

The Democrats on the other hand understand the systemic barriers that the poor face and they are trying to address those. This also has a long and well studied history.

The libs despise the poor more than anyone.They find them disgusting and repugnant to the core.They hate the way they talk and live there lives in general.

They hate uneducated people to the core and of coarse those living in real poverty have no access to education.

Pay attention to what the liberals are really are saying with there words.

You don't have to pay close attention to what the conservatives say,they say what they think in a crude,blunt point blank Manor,in your face obvious.


So that is why liberals support social programs and conservative don't.
Who they are as people may be totally different.


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23 Aug 2020, 2:05 pm

Great, give some statistics.

BTW, I guess you could say I am a liberal, but I don't hate the poor or uneducated. So how does that square with your theory?



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23 Aug 2020, 2:42 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
Great, give some statistics.

BTW, I guess you could say I am a liberal, but I don't hate the poor or uneducated. So how does that square with your theory?

If that's the philosophy you want for America,then suite yourself,I'm tired of arguing with people so far left it makes no difference.


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23 Aug 2020, 2:47 pm

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Jiheisho wrote:
Great, give some statistics.

BTW, I guess you could say I am a liberal, but I don't hate the poor or uneducated. So how does that square with your theory?

If that's the philosophy you want for America,then suite yourself,I'm tired of arguing with people so far left it makes no difference.


I am sorry, but have we met? If your argument simply is about personal attacks, perhaps there is a better venue for you than the Wrong Planet.



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23 Aug 2020, 2:47 pm

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So that is why liberals support social programs and conservative don't.

Conservatives believe in teaching people to support themselves.

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23 Aug 2020, 3:02 pm

Not really. This is much more what democrats are about. They're more likely to support all kinds of social programs, everything from supporting people who can't work, to providing education and training for people so that they can work, job placement, accommodations, to raising all kinds of working conditions, standards, benefits, etc. Democrats have been in this vein since FDR...Republicans' cold-hearted, greed-driven, free market, capitalistic "every man for himself" philosophy is what leaves people out in the cold -- and tricks poor, working class people into thinking they can be rich like Trump, if only they work hard enough. Do you have any idea how much funding Trump cut for helpful social programs once he was elected? Come on, let's get a grip now. He is about as far from the kind of person you'd want to lead your country as one can imagine...and he does not tell the truth, he's a liar ("no, I didn't say that at all, that's not what I said"...then you see a recording of him saying that, verbatim...his accountability is horrible, to say the least). I feel like if people are naive enough to fall for his BS, they deserve to live in delusion...I honestly just laugh at Trump supporters, for the most part. To me they're a big joke and they're very naive, gullible, and easy to manipulate.



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23 Aug 2020, 3:02 pm

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Jiheisho wrote:
So that is why liberals support social programs and conservative don't.

Conservatives believe in teaching people to support themselves.

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Really? Conservative have not been leading the charge in public education. Conservatives have also instituted policy to make it harder for poor people to succeed. And this is shown in the statistic. Since the 80s, productivity of workers has steadily increased, but wages have stagnated or declined. BTW, wages before then tracked productivity, but then conservatives pushed economic policy which increased inequality.

While I grant that conservative believe that people should support themselves, their actions do not lead to that outcome.



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23 Aug 2020, 3:14 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I know that the republicans may and likely hate me and look down on me for being poor and living on disability,but there honest about it.The left really in truth feels the same way but lies to appear more benevolent.

I am going to vote for the party that at least tells the truth,and so should you!

This is the main idea behind my post,the post has gotten off topic,lets get back to discussion of the statement I made above.Or don't respond and forget the thread but continual off topic posts and I'll request a lock of the thread.

Thanks :)


But they don't tell the truth about it. The concept that poor people deserve their poverty is a stereotype they simply push (they did not invent it as it is very old, but they certainly refined it). There is no reality in it. The sad thing is the poor have bought into it. This has a long and well studied history, including how the poor have been co-opted by the rich to maintain the status quo.

The Democrats on the other hand understand the systemic barriers that the poor face and they are trying to address those. This also has a long and well studied history.

The libs despise the poor more than anyone.They find them disgusting and repugnant to the core.They hate the way they talk and live there lives in general.

They hate uneducated people to the core and of coarse those living in real poverty have no access to education.

Pay attention to what the liberals are really are saying with there words.

You don't have to pay close attention to what the conservatives say,they say what they think in a crude,blunt point blank Manor,in your face obvious.


I'm poor, are you really insisting I hate myself because I believe society should help people who are struggling? :?


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23 Aug 2020, 3:18 pm

A free market enterprise system creates competition...which means there are winners, and losers. If you don't like it, too bad. And it doesn't help the situation when rich people are voting for tax cuts -- when they should be contributing more to general welfare, not less. This is me and this is my money, it's hard earned, blah blah...I say they should have to pay up, because other people are struggling and the problem isn't that they're lazy -- the problem is with the system. Democrats are much more willing to offer up their taxes to help others when they can afford to, and holding others to the same standards when they're making more than enough money for themselves. There are way too many super rich people out there, Trump among them, who will gladly make all kinds of tax loopholes and cuts and pay as few taxes as they possibly can...aka greed.



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23 Aug 2020, 3:20 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I know that the republicans may and likely hate me and look down on me for being poor and living on disability,but there honest about it.The left really in truth feels the same way but lies to appear more benevolent.

I am going to vote for the party that at least tells the truth,and so should you!

This is the main idea behind my post,the post has gotten off topic,lets get back to discussion of the statement I made above.Or don't respond and forget the thread but continual off topic posts and I'll request a lock of the thread.

Thanks :)


But they don't tell the truth about it. The concept that poor people deserve their poverty is a stereotype they simply push (they did not invent it as it is very old, but they certainly refined it). There is no reality in it. The sad thing is the poor have bought into it. This has a long and well studied history, including how the poor have been co-opted by the rich to maintain the status quo.

The Democrats on the other hand understand the systemic barriers that the poor face and they are trying to address those. This also has a long and well studied history.

The libs despise the poor more than anyone.They find them disgusting and repugnant to the core.They hate the way they talk and live there lives in general.

They hate uneducated people to the core and of coarse those living in real poverty have no access to education.

Pay attention to what the liberals are really are saying with there words.

You don't have to pay close attention to what the conservatives say,they say what they think in a crude,blunt point blank Manor,in your face obvious.


I'm poor, are you really insisting I hate myself because I believe society should help people who are struggling? :?
I'm poor too and live on SSDI,I don't feel great amounts of love and respect from liberals.


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23 Aug 2020, 3:29 pm

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Not really. This is much more what democrats are about. They're more likely to support all kinds of social programs, everything from supporting people who can't work, to providing education and training for people so that they can work, job placement, accommodations, to raising all kinds of working conditions, standards, benefits, etc. Democrats have been in this vein since FDR...Republicans' cold-hearted, greed-driven, free market, capitalistic "every man for himself" philosophy is what leaves people out in the cold -- and tricks poor, working class people into thinking they can be rich like Trump, if only they work hard enough. Do you have any idea how much funding Trump cut for helpful social programs once he was elected? Come on, let's get a grip now. He is about as far from the kind of person you'd want to lead your country as one can imagine...and he does not tell the truth, he's a liar ("no, I didn't say that at all, that's not what I said"...then you see a recording of him saying that, verbatim...his accountability is horrible, to say the least). I feel like if people are naive enough to fall for his BS, they deserve to live in delusion...I honestly just laugh at Trump supporters, for the most part. To me they're a big joke and they're very naive, gullible, and easy to manipulate.


And unfortunately when the SHTF those of us in the US who are smart enough to not get swept away by this Trump Mania are probably going to suffer the most. Think about what I mean by that... This pattern has repeated itself in other countries for centuries. The people who try to hold onto reason always get branded as 'traitors' and are punished. :|


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23 Aug 2020, 3:35 pm

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Really? Conservative have not been leading the charge in public education. Conservatives have also instituted policy to make it harder for poor people to succeed. And this is shown in the statistic. Since the 80s, productivity of workers has steadily increased, but wages have stagnated or declined. BTW, wages before then tracked productivity, but then conservatives pushed economic policy which increased inequality.

Worker productivity is irrelevant.

What matters is relative worker productivity.

For most of the world, workers in China, India, Bangladesh have been increasingly, relatively more productive.

So, naturally, the relatively lesser productive workers take a wage cut.

Conservatives propose solutions to make workers more productive: get rid of labor laws, get rid of regulations, get rid of taxes ...


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23 Aug 2020, 3:40 pm

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I'm poor too and live on SSDI,I don't feel great amounts of love and respect from liberals.


Personally, I would love to strengthen SS. It really needs help. I might point out your lovable honest, but blunt, conservative friends would not. And unlike your conservative friends (and mine), I don't blame you for your circumstances.



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