Why does nazism still have followers after its defeat ?

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30 Aug 2020, 10:38 am

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Mikah wrote:
Why does communism? A more interesting question: Why isn't communism as shunned?


Communists never exterminated anybody because of their race, religion, sexual orientation or gender identity—which the Nazis did and the GOP wants to do.


Um that's not true at all.


The GOP isn‘t doing it in death camps, but rather having cops do it.

There are many victims:

Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Walter Scott, Eric Garner, Sandra Bland, Tamir Rice, Philando Castle, George Floyd, Ahmed Arbury, Breonna Taylor, Jacob Blake...just to name a few.



I meant your bogus claim that the Communist party never exterminated people based on religion or sexuality.


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30 Aug 2020, 10:44 am

Another possible distinction:

- It took a world war to defeat Nazism.
- Communism collapsed on its own.

As a result, it is easier for Nazis to claim that their political project "could" have succeeded (and could succeed again), and that they were simply thwarted by outside forces.



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30 Aug 2020, 10:53 am

I think Capitalism will eventually collapse on its own too, like it is doing right now thanks to this pandemic.


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31 Aug 2020, 12:05 am

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Don't let's forget that Mussolini was a Socialist before be founded Fascism, and that he did so because he believed Fascism would succeed where Socialism failed i.e. they have the same utopian end-goal.


Mussolini fell out hard with socialism because of WWI. He resented the many Italian socialists who opposed any Italian intervention in the war. His animus started to be directed less at the bourgeoisie, and more at non-Italians--especially Austria. He wanted Italy to declare war on the Central powers to thwart their imperialism, and to allow Italy to claim territories in Austria-Hungary with ethnic Italian majorities.
By the time he declared himself a fascist, he had rejected any utopian socialist model in favor of Italian nationalism. I find it hard to call his ideas utopian once he embraced Italian imperialism. Mussolini's ideal world isn't very utopian unless you're Italian and don't have a conscience.

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The mother in the film "Goodbye Lenin" who has been a good Communist all her life and must be protected by her children from learning that Communism in Germany has fallen ...

I love that movie. We watched it in German class so I almost never hear other people talk about it.
The nostalgia for the old DDR (Ostalgie) tends to be felt by those on the left who recognize East Germany's glaring faults while missing the better aspects, and wondering what could have been if it had grown to be a more open, democratic society on its own.


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31 Aug 2020, 12:24 am

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Mussolini's ideal world isn't very utopian unless you're Italian and don't have a conscience.


Hmm that sounds oddly familiar... like Trump's promise to "Make America Great Again", we all know he actually means an America that's only great if you're a 'true' American without a conscience.


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31 Aug 2020, 12:41 am

roronoa79 wrote:
Mussolini's ideal world isn't very utopian unless you're Italian and don't have a conscience.

Luckily, this is Mussolini we're talking about, so both those criteria are met in spades.


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