Why do people still not accept homosexuality today ?

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05 Oct 2020, 4:27 pm

Funny thing about me is I have been unaware of all the straight lifestyles being shoved in peoples faces but yet when I was in London, I went into the Soho area and wandered into this park and was unaware of the gay lifestyles being shoved into my face there. My mom thought it was funny because I was so unaware of what was going on around me.

Mom could tell people in that area were gay and I couldn't tell. All I saw were people together and just hanging out and I couldn't tell between a relationship couple or friends and I didn't see anyone making out. No hugging or kissing.


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05 Oct 2020, 4:33 pm

When I was a teenager, my sibs would often tell me that one girl or another was coming on to me, but I never saw it; only girls who wouldn't leave me alone.  "Why are they bothering me?" I would often wonder...

:wall: ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ...



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05 Oct 2020, 4:53 pm

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When I was a teenager, my sibs would often tell me that one girl or another was coming on to me, but I never saw it; only girls who wouldn't leave me alone.  "Why are they bothering me?" I would often wonder...

:wall: ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ... stupid ...



Similar experiences and not just when I was a teeny bopper.


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05 Oct 2020, 6:44 pm

Fnord wrote:
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I have nothing against them, as long as they keep it to themselves...
I feel the same way, especially toward evangelicals, dog-breeders/trainers, sports enthusiasts, vegans, vegetarians, Amway/Nutrilite representatives, fashion designers, psychics, telemarketers, street racers, skateboarders, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and the schizophrenic neighbor who goes off her meds every few months.
Why is them not keeping quiet about it offensive?
It is when they get all loud and rude about whatever their interests may be while coming down on me for not sharing their interests.  Especially that schizophrenic neighbor, she gets downright nasty.
Won’t someone please spare the dog trainers ?
Not when they live right next door.


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06 Oct 2020, 6:36 am

Some people are afraid of anything different. Religion helps them back this up when it comes to LGBT stuff. But it's inherently an aversion to difference - for relatable eg look at how neurodiversity is treated in society.

There is nothing wrong with being different or showing your difference. With being flamboyant - whether as a gay person or as an eccentric straight person. I'm glad I was brought up into that kind of understanding of the world instead of a 'learn to fit in' understanding of it.

However. From both a straight and an lgbt perspective - not every presentation is appropriate everywhere. The guy in assless chaps? Fine for a nightclub or an adult only lgbt holiday or a kink club. Or his own home. Not fine for walking down the street in the middle of a Saturday afternoon. Same with a (true story I knew someone who did this) woman wearing a basque in public in the middle of the day.

There are ways to show you are a camp gay man without it being inappropriate for kids to see. Showing your butt isn't that.

I think gay and straight during the weekend day and during evening hours ought to be more obvious by romance or family groupings (two dads taking their kid to nursery) than by overt representations of sexuality (woman flashing her boobs). But I apply this to straight people too.

In my experience 'normal' or just ordinary camp gay guys and butch lesbians tend to come from accepting households. They're women who want to take their girlfriend to meet their parents. Or men who want to find the boy next door so the parents will approve the marriage.

Super sexualised type people tend to come from repressed backgrounds in my experience. I knew a lad growing up whose male family were orangemen, super strict right wing Protestants who hated anything 'different'. He came out later in life - ran off down to London & became a stereotypical fashion designer. All his fashion designs are really overtly sexual and BDSM and every time he's interviewed he talks about sexy guys or about sex in general. I think it's a rebellion thing. An admission his dad won't accept him no matter what, so why bother trying to find a wholesome guy and settle down, why not just have fun...

I know nobody, including myself, whose parents would approve a hyper sexualised lifestyle. If I was having a different guy or girl every night, my parents would worry. Accepting parents see their kids as eternal innocents, kids who have good bonds with their parents the same with parents - kind of grosses me out to think my parents have sex drives.

PS isn't it interesting that we see things in terms of the male gaze. So 'male butt' = gay and 'female boobs' = straight. A lesbian would enjoy looking at boobs. A straight woman would enjoy looking at a guy's butt. But we don't think about that when seeing people in revealing clothing.


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06 Oct 2020, 7:14 am

Because it's not biologically reproductive. Males and females originally came together to reproduce. Mankind got used to this and established rules, both cultural and religious. Relationships can be neuro-centric as they were in antiquity as well. It's going to take a long time for homosexuality to be accepted. Future science may correct that. Also, it may be down to majority rule too - who knows. BUT tolerance should always dominate our attitudes.



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06 Oct 2020, 2:28 pm

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Because it's not biologically reproductive. Males and females originally came together to reproduce. Mankind got used to this and established rules, both cultural and religious. Relationships can be neuro-centric as they were in antiquity as well. It's going to take a long time for homosexuality to be accepted. Future science may correct that. Also, it may be down to majority rule too - who knows. BUT tolerance should always dominate our attitudes.


Might explain the double standards where people aren't homophobic but are when it comes to their own kids. Maybe they want to pass down the genes so it changes their feelings on it.

Or more realistically, become grandparents so that changes their feelings.

Of course, their son/daughter might adopt. Or have biological kids some other way like through a surrogate or sperm donor. But that requires not seeing family as blood, which is something it's hard to get one's head around even these days.


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07 Oct 2020, 12:31 pm

Because they’re jealous of all the super hot sex we get to have and they don’t. :mrgreen: 8)


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07 Oct 2020, 12:38 pm

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Because they’re jealous of all the super hot sex we get to have and they don’t.
Ahh ... but it is not all the same sex, each and every time?

:wink: Pun .



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07 Oct 2020, 12:57 pm

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Because they’re jealous of all the super hot sex we get to have and they don’t. :mrgreen: 8)


Could explain the biphobia within the community too :wink:

Not our fault one gender's off limits to some people... :lol: 8)


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07 Oct 2020, 12:58 pm

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Some people are afraid of anything different. Religion helps them back this up when it comes to LGBT stuff. But it's inherently an aversion to difference - for relatable eg look at how neurodiversity is treated in society.

There is nothing wrong with being different or showing your difference. With being flamboyant - whether as a gay person or as an eccentric straight person. I'm glad I was brought up into that kind of understanding of the world instead of a 'learn to fit in' understanding of it.

However. From both a straight and an lgbt perspective - not every presentation is appropriate everywhere. The guy in assless chaps? Fine for a nightclub or an adult only lgbt holiday or a kink club. Or his own home. Not fine for walking down the street in the middle of a Saturday afternoon. Same with a (true story I knew someone who did this) woman wearing a basque in public in the middle of the day.

There are ways to show you are a camp gay man without it being inappropriate for kids to see. Showing your butt isn't that.

I think gay and straight during the weekend day and during evening hours ought to be more obvious by romance or family groupings (two dads taking their kid to nursery) than by overt representations of sexuality (woman flashing her boobs). But I apply this to straight people too.

In my experience 'normal' or just ordinary camp gay guys and butch lesbians tend to come from accepting households. They're women who want to take their girlfriend to meet their parents. Or men who want to find the boy next door so the parents will approve the marriage.

Super sexualised type people tend to come from repressed backgrounds in my experience. I knew a lad growing up whose male family were orangemen, super strict right wing Protestants who hated anything 'different'. He came out later in life - ran off down to London & became a stereotypical fashion designer. All his fashion designs are really overtly sexual and BDSM and every time he's interviewed he talks about sexy guys or about sex in general. I think it's a rebellion thing. An admission his dad won't accept him no matter what, so why bother trying to find a wholesome guy and settle down, why not just have fun...

I know nobody, including myself, whose parents would approve a hyper sexualised lifestyle. If I was having a different guy or girl every night, my parents would worry. Accepting parents see their kids as eternal innocents, kids who have good bonds with their parents the same with parents - kind of grosses me out to think my parents have sex drives.

PS isn't it interesting that we see things in terms of the male gaze. So 'male butt' = gay and 'female boobs' = straight. A lesbian would enjoy looking at boobs. A straight woman would enjoy looking at a guy's butt. But we don't think about that when seeing people in revealing clothing.


I think the hyper sexuality of some in the gay community is where a lot of prejudice comes from. Seeing someone's life revolve around their sexuality (be it straight or gay) never makes for easy viewing and is hard to swallow if they really make a show of it. Sadly I noticed there is a significant minority that intentionally make a scene and push the boundaries just for the sake of it and over time it's become part of gay culture to an extent. I had a friend in school (my best friend between ages 8 to 16) and the older he got the more he embraced some of the worse aspects of gay culture and by god did he start making a scene in the end. He mellowed out a bit as he grew older but it got cringe worthy at times.



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... Seeing someone's life revolve around their sexuality (be it straight or gay) never makes for easy viewing and is hard to swallow if they really make a show of it. Sadly I noticed there is a significant minority that intentionally make a scene and push the boundaries just for the sake of it and over time it's become part of gay culture to an extent. I had a friend in school (my best friend between ages 8 to 16) and the older he got the more he embraced some of the worse aspects of gay culture and by god did he start making a scene in the end. He mellowed out a bit as he grew older but it got cringe worthy at times.
I have known several people who cannot start a conversation without saying something like, "Well, as a lesbian/gay man/bisexual/trans-sexual/queer, I think ...", as if they speak for all such people; and yes, it does get cringe-worthy, especially when they begin to reference everything to their sexuality (or their interest in sex).

My uncle, for instance, may be the originator of the "That's what SHE said" joke, and when he would start up during a family holiday, his wife would eventually order him to STFU.

Cousin: "I like it when the meat is spicy."
Uncle: "Yeah, that's what SHE said!"


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07 Oct 2020, 1:33 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... Seeing someone's life revolve around their sexuality (be it straight or gay) never makes for easy viewing and is hard to swallow if they really make a show of it. Sadly I noticed there is a significant minority that intentionally make a scene and push the boundaries just for the sake of it and over time it's become part of gay culture to an extent. I had a friend in school (my best friend between ages 8 to 16) and the older he got the more he embraced some of the worse aspects of gay culture and by god did he start making a scene in the end. He mellowed out a bit as he grew older but it got cringe worthy at times.
I have known several people who cannot start a conversation without saying something like, "Well, as a lesbian/gay man/bisexual/trans-sexual/queer, I think ...", as if they speak for all such people; and yes, it does get cringe-worthy, especially when they begin to reference everything to their sexuality (or their interest in sex).

My uncle, for instance, may be the originator of the "That's what SHE said" joke, and when he would start up during a family holiday, his wife would eventually order him to STFU.

Cousin: "I like it when the meat is spicy."
Uncle: "Yeah, that's what SHE said!"


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Oh god that's the type of cringe I'm on about lol.

Yeah. I think the vast majority of people are perfectly fine with homosexuality itself. Having attractions for people of the same sex or what they do in bed doesn't bother me and I think it doesn't bother the vast majority of people because why would it if it's not effecting others? When blatant displays of sexuality of any form starts to make others in the vicinity uncomfortable then I have an issue with it and I imagine a lot of others are too. It's not being gay that bothers me, it's how those on the more eccentric side of gay subculture behaves and treat others. Many on the questionable side thrive off causing drama, gossiping, really shoving their sexuality in others faces. Who likes people like that in general?

Luckily my friend wasn't like that. He had his moments and he did like to gossip enough that I didn't feel confident enough to confide in him because who knows who he would tell but he never intentionally (emphasis on intentionally) caused drama.



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07 Oct 2020, 2:23 pm

I think it's fine to say "as a whatever" if you are trying to defy any stereotypes out there and any prejudice people have about a group of people because of some bad apples. People need to see the positive and only the negative will stand out so that is all people ever see so that reinforces their prejudice.


I never understood gay people who make a big deal out of their sexuality. I don't even care if you are gay. I don't see anyone saying "Hi I am Brent and I am straight."


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07 Oct 2020, 2:28 pm

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... I never understood gay people who make a big deal out of their sexuality. I don't even care if you are gay. I don't see anyone saying "Hi I am Brent and I am straight."
It's usually slightly more subtle; like, "Hi, I am Kenneth, and this is my wife Barbara", as if it was important to establish oneself in a heterosexual relationship.



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07 Oct 2020, 2:33 pm

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... I never understood gay people who make a big deal out of their sexuality. I don't even care if you are gay. I don't see anyone saying "Hi I am Brent and I am straight."
It's usually slightly more subtle; like, "Hi, I am Kenneth, and this is my wife Barbara", as if it was important to establish oneself in a heterosexual relationship.



So hetero people do make a big deal about their straightness. It really is homophobia if people are fine with straight people doing that but if a gay person does it "Hi I am Brent and this is my Partner here Brad" and they take issue with that, then that is homophobia. Unless they take an issue with all sexualities being exposed like that, then I don't know what to call it, relationshiphobia since they are against ALL sexualities and no one is being discriminated and singled out since it's everyone.


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