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06 Nov 2020, 7:14 pm

Well how much percent of American are rioting because of this?



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06 Nov 2020, 8:26 pm

Looks like the rioting has been put on hold.



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07 Nov 2020, 6:30 am

magz wrote:
Please, don't heat the atmosphere.
We need to go through it together.
Obviously, press slanted this or that way will cherry-pick shots to report the opposite side rallies as more violent than they are.
Don't buy into these narratives.
The world is too small and the weapons too powerful. We need solutions, not tribe wars.


I don't fancy your chances in injecting rationality into discussions like this. :mrgreen:



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07 Nov 2020, 6:31 am

cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
Please, don't heat the atmosphere.
We need to go through it together.
Obviously, press slanted this or that way will cherry-pick shots to report the opposite side rallies as more violent than they are.
Don't buy into these narratives.
The world is too small and the weapons too powerful. We need solutions, not tribe wars.


Ok I'll cool off

For now. :mrgreen:



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07 Nov 2020, 6:33 am

Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
We know who is causing the protests and intimidating staff in polling booths accusing them of fraudulent counting
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-election

Happening all over the country Bric


Yet another example of projecting onto those you dislike, it appears...

If you read the article, the "right wing"\"MAGA" protests are described as:
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In Phoenix a group of pro-Trump protesters, some of them armed, gathered outside the Maricopa county election center, where sheriff’s deputies were guarding both the outside of the building and the counting inside.

Many wore “Make America great again” hats and some carried signs baselessly alleging fraud. The Associated Press and other news organizations, including the conservative network Fox News, declared Biden the victor in Arizona yesterday, but Trump has been inching closer to a tie. Demonstrators chanted: “Shame on Fox.”

Despite reports that counting would be halted as a result of the demonstration, county officials confirmed that ballots would continue to be tallied into the night. Reporters, however, were asked to leave as the pro-Trump protesters crowded outside.

The incident echoed an earlier event in Michigan, when a rightwing, anti-lockdown group crowded outside a ballot-counting site in Detroit. The small cluster of Trump supporters descended on the center amid chants of “Stop the count!”. (In Phoenix, where Biden’s lead was shrinking, Trump supporters shouted the opposite.)


So, from your source, the right wing people were "demonstrating", with no indication of riots, or even violence (whether against people or property).

Contrast this with the description of the earlier riots in NY, which you dishonestly labelled as being by "MAGAs":
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Police made some arrests at the various demonstrations, including in New York. Dozens of protesters were also arrested in Minneapolis after demanding action on a range of issues including policing, climate change and immigration, according to local media reports. Arrests were also made in Los Angeles and in Portland, Oregon.


I hope at some point you will stop attacking\falsely accusing this group of humans which you appear to dislike...


Well, as they say, don't let the Truth get in the way of a good story. :mrgreen:



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07 Nov 2020, 6:35 am

magz wrote:
I repeat my appeal.


Here, use my megaphone.
Maybe I should find a maga-phone. :scratch: :mrgreen:



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07 Nov 2020, 5:21 pm

Very few people are actually “rioting.” Most protesters (again, a very small percentage of the population), are protesting peacefully.

It’s troubling that the MAGA contingent are bringing weapons, just like it’s troubling that a very small part of the BLM protesters desire to riot.



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07 Nov 2020, 6:26 pm

It's really disturbing to me that very visibly armed men (not police or military) are parading around. What is the purpose, if not a threat? And to whom - peaceful Americans?

The BBC posted this on Nov 6, captioned:
"Protesters, some of whom are armed, have convened outside the vote counting centre in Phoenix, Arizona"

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07 Nov 2020, 7:04 pm

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It's really disturbing to me that very visibly armed men (not police or military) are parading around. What is the purpose, if not a threat? And to whom - peaceful Americans?

The BBC posted this on Nov 6, captioned:
"Protesters, some of whom are armed, have convened outside the vote counting centre in Phoenix, Arizona"

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07 Nov 2020, 7:16 pm

When you allow militia to waltz around with loaded weapons you will get a repeat of the criminal behavior witnessed in Kenosha this year when three members of the public were shot and two killed.



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07 Nov 2020, 8:53 pm

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When you allow militia to waltz around with loaded weapons you will get a repeat of the criminal behavior witnessed in Kenosha this year when three members of the public were shot and two killed.


All of which occurred in situations where the person who was shot was the aggressor and the shooter had been attempting to retreat to safety from them and were prevented from doing so\pursued, as visible in footage of each event...

Possibly, had the person who fired not had a gun, he may not have been attacked, equally possible though is that had he not had the gun, he would have been seriously injured\killed, as we don't know if the initial aggressor was after the person with the gun in order to get the gun for his own use, or because he didn't like the person who had it\what that person stood for.

It would be interesting to know how many business\properties where the militia were protecting them suffered damage compared to those where there were no militia, too, to have an objective view of whether they were required there...



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07 Nov 2020, 9:05 pm

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It would be interesting to know how many business\properties where the militia were protecting them suffered damage compared to those where there were no militia, too, to have an objective view of whether they were required there...


The Kenosha militia could make the claim they were acting as vigilantes protecting property against BLM protestors (a claim that is questionable since police were present so they were never required).

However to pro-Trump gunmen lurking around polling booths in Pheonix Arizona their only intention is to intimidate staff trying to do their job counting votes.

Trump supporters always claim they want to protect their democratic rights but obviously they are happy to disrupt the democratic election process when their beloved leader is about to be "turfed out" (and none too soon) based on unsubstantiated lies spawned from QAnon conspiracists.



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07 Nov 2020, 9:47 pm

Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
We know who is causing the protests and intimidating staff in polling booths accusing them of fraudulent counting
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-election

Happening all over the country Bric


Yet another example of projecting onto those you dislike, it appears...

If you read the article, the "right wing"\"MAGA" protests are described as:
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In Phoenix a group of pro-Trump protesters, some of them armed, gathered outside the Maricopa county election center, where sheriff’s deputies were guarding both the outside of the building and the counting inside.

Many wore “Make America great again” hats and some carried signs baselessly alleging fraud. The Associated Press and other news organizations, including the conservative network Fox News, declared Biden the victor in Arizona yesterday, but Trump has been inching closer to a tie. Demonstrators chanted: “Shame on Fox.”

Despite reports that counting would be halted as a result of the demonstration, county officials confirmed that ballots would continue to be tallied into the night. Reporters, however, were asked to leave as the pro-Trump protesters crowded outside.

The incident echoed an earlier event in Michigan, when a rightwing, anti-lockdown group crowded outside a ballot-counting site in Detroit. The small cluster of Trump supporters descended on the center amid chants of “Stop the count!”. (In Phoenix, where Biden’s lead was shrinking, Trump supporters shouted the opposite.)


So, from your source, the right wing people were "demonstrating", with no indication of riots, or even violence (whether against people or property).

Contrast this with the description of the earlier riots in NY, which you dishonestly labelled as being by "MAGAs":
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Police made some arrests at the various demonstrations, including in New York. Dozens of protesters were also arrested in Minneapolis after demanding action on a range of issues including policing, climate change and immigration, according to local media reports. Arrests were also made in Los Angeles and in Portland, Oregon.


I hope at some point you will stop attacking\falsely accusing this group of humans which you appear to dislike...


Well, as they say, don't let the Truth get in the way of a good story. :mrgreen:


I have noticed a distinct pattern of that, yes...

Once or twice, I can understand (sometimes people can be too quick to want their side's story told and make a mistake\miss out on relevent (often inconvenient) details), but anything more than that certainly gives an impression of intent or compulsion.



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07 Nov 2020, 10:07 pm

So far I'm not seeing anything in the news about all the violent MAGA riots that are supposed to be taking place.



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07 Nov 2020, 10:33 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
So far I'm not seeing anything in the news about all the violent MAGA riots that are supposed to be taking place.

Curious, isn't it...It's as though people making the claim were projecting how their side would behave in that situation, rather than how the "MAGAs" would.



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07 Nov 2020, 10:55 pm

Perhaps not rioting, but intimidation is fairly obvious.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/2020 ... ?r=US&IR=T
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/ ... ng-centres



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