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11 Feb 2021, 10:44 pm

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It's actually really sad.
After 6 Jan there was this moment when I thought, with Trump out of the picture and his most loyal supporters being ridiculed (if not rounded up and charged), that the Republicans would seize the opportunity to admit they might have backed the wrong guy and make a clean break. Begin a new beginning. But no, it seems they have some inane idea that Trump's cult following is their base (as if they could hope to continue the cult without its leader).
It's sad, to see the great USA brought to this.
And I'm not even American.


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Democrats have their vicious way with Trump loyalists

Rather than act like gracious winners and trying to bring the country back together, the American Left is determined to make criminals out of anyone who supported Trump, writes Miranda Devine.
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12 Feb 2021, 8:41 am

Unfortunately the link is behind a paywall from my location.

That quote from Miranda Devine is ridiculous diversionary noise. Checking her Twitter feed reveals that she'd likely make a happy member of Cult 45. There are clues in her Twitter profile: "Truth-teller. @nypost @dailytelegraph columnist. @foxnews contributor" after all, so the content should be no surprise.

"Rather than act like gracious winners and trying to bring the country back together" is an "ooh look, squirrels" moment and skips lightly over the months of Trump banging on about a fraudulent election - even before it took place, and continuing to do so right through the Capitol rioting. What does she think split the country apart - bad weather?

Cause/effect, anyone? Well apparently not if a majority of the Republican party is to be believed. It "just happened", that's all. Nothing to see here and it certainly wasn't related to Trump's activities, no siree.
So rather than address or even acknowledge that and all the surrounding insanity she makes a silly whine about "the American Left". Isn't that just another attempt at splitting the country?

If the quote is supposed to provide some sort of balance I'd suggest there are some scales that urgently need recalibrating.
Balance is more than just providing some opposing noise.

There's also this little matter which might help tip the scales: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/se ... ation-case


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12 Feb 2021, 9:16 am

Miranda Devine is an Australian conservative columnist that works for News Corp in case folks are wondering.

To heal, we need to address the cause. You don't leave the disease alone and expect things are OK. While the GOP is really trying to dodge accountability, you don't get to incite an insurrection to overturn an election and then ignore that. Certainly, I don't see conservatives trying to be part of this healing process. They are basically hiding behind excuses so they don't have to face their culpability. And it is really ironic that this line is coming from a columnist in a News Corp organization.

Perhaps Ms. Devine does not have a mirror.



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12 Feb 2021, 7:57 pm

Key takeaways from Day 4 of Trump's impeachment trial

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After two days of House impeachment managers making their case for the conviction of Donald Trump on a charge of incitement, the former President's legal team got its chance today.

The core of the Trump team's defense was that his words at the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" rally were just that: words. And that those words were far from an incitement that led to the violent insurrection at the Capitol.

In case you missed it, here are some of the key takeaways from today's proceedings:

Words matter. Except when they don't: Trump's lawyers tried to make two diametrically opposed arguments to dispel the idea that the former President was culpable for the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. On the one hand, Trump attorney Michael van der Veen suggested that the President using the phrase "peaceful and patriotic" regarding the protests during his speech at the "Stop the Steal" rally, was proof-positive that he had told them to not engage in a violent manner. On the other hand, Trump's lawyers dismissed his repeated use of the words "fight" during that same speech by playing a long smash cut of Democratic politicians saying the word "fight." The message was muddled: Do words — whether from the President or anyone else — matter, or don't they? It seemed as though Trump's lawyers were making the case that words mattered when it bolstered their argument that Trump didn't incite a riot but not so much in other circumstances.

Jan. 6 was NOT inevitable: At the core of the defense team's case were these twin notions: a) What happened on Jan. 6 was an isolated incident with zero prologue and b) these bad actors were going to behave badly no matter what Trump said or did that day. "You can't incite what was already going to happen," said van der Veen at one point. What those arguments are aimed at doing is removing any blame for Trump in, well, any of this. The facts, however, are not on the side of Trump's lawyers on this one.

The "fight" video: As we know from reporting after the airing of a 13-minute video detailing the events of Jan. 6 by the impeachment managers on the second day of the trial, the Trump team was scrambling to make more videos of their own to counter the impact it had on the jury of senators. And come up with videos they did! The most notable one was a mashup of Democrats – from Joe Biden to Kamala Harris to virtually every Democratic senator – saying the word "fight." The point, as I noted above, was to make the case that Trump telling his supporters to "fight like hell" shouldn't be taken as a serious incitement to violence because, well, Democratic politicians say the word "fight" as well. But to believe that and be convinced by it, you have to be willing to ignore any sort of context.

It's all about the "hate": The main reason that Democrats in the House impeached Trump, according to his lawyers, was not because of his action (and lack of action) on Jan. 6 but rather because they simply hate him – and that hate has blinded them to due process and the rule of law. But this argument is also a bit of a red herring. After all, this isn't an either/or choice. You can hate Trump and still believe he didn't incite a riot. And vice versa. Trump's legal team was simply not willing to engage on the merits of what Trump said and did. And so they fell back on the everyone-is-so-partisan argument. It undoubtedly will resonate with many Republican senators looking for a justification to vote to acquit Trump. But that doesn't make it true.

What happens next: The impeachment trial is expected to resume at 10 a.m. ET tomorrow.

A final vote on Trump's conviction or acquittal will be around 3 p.m. ET. This is not locked in yet and can change, but that's the expectation at the moment.


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12 Feb 2021, 8:20 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
Miranda Devine is an Australian conservative columnist that works for News Corp in case folks are wondering.
To heal, we need to address the cause. You don't leave the disease alone and expect things are OK. While the GOP is really trying to dodge accountability, you don't get to incite an insurrection to overturn an election and then ignore that. Certainly, I don't see conservatives trying to be part of this healing process. They are basically hiding behind excuses so they don't have to face their culpability. And it is really ironic that this line is coming from a columnist in a News Corp organization.
Perhaps Ms. Devine does not have a mirror.


Miranda Devine, Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt have been the three horsemen of the apocalypse in their battles against progressive politics. This coming from her is somewhat rich. "Beware a Greek bearing gifts", who knows what trojan horse she is carting around for unsuspecting readers of the Fairfax newsmedia.



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12 Feb 2021, 8:57 pm

Dioesn't look good when Trump is calling the rioters and rooting for them
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-t ... 0ff655ddb2



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12 Feb 2021, 10:58 pm

it doesn't matter what is said at this futile trial, the GOP will in lockstep acquit the traitorous bastard and laugh about it. there is no hope of bipartisanship.



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12 Feb 2021, 11:02 pm

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it doesn't matter what is said at this futile trial, the GOP will in lockstep acquit the traitorous bastard and laugh about it. there is no hope of bipartisanship.


He avoided the noose the first time because he was a standing POTUS. Now he's a regular "Joe" and can't hide behind his status/position.



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12 Feb 2021, 11:21 pm

cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it doesn't matter what is said at this futile trial, the GOP will in lockstep acquit the traitorous bastard and laugh about it. there is no hope of bipartisanship.


He avoided the noose the first time because he was a standing POTUS. Now he's a regular "Joe" and can't hide behind his status/position.

at most 10 GOPers with morals and bravery head and shoulders above their sleazy slimy cowardly fellow legislators. need 17 to get a conviction. the bastard will slide.



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12 Feb 2021, 11:49 pm

auntblabby wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it doesn't matter what is said at this futile trial, the GOP will in lockstep acquit the traitorous bastard and laugh about it. there is no hope of bipartisanship.


He avoided the noose the first time because he was a standing POTUS. Now he's a regular "Joe" and can't hide behind his status/position.

at most 10 GOPers with morals and bravery head and shoulders above their sleazy slimy cowardly fellow legislators. need 17 to get a conviction. the bastard will slide.


I know history will judge those spineless bastards, but that's cold comfort here and now.


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13 Feb 2021, 4:09 pm

Former President Trump acquitted in historic second impeachment trial

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Former President Trump has been acquitted in his historic second impeachment trial, with seven Republican senators joining 50 Democrats voting to convict, fewer than the 17 needed.

These are the seven Republicans who voted to convict the former President:

Richard Burr
Bill Cassidy
Susan Collins
Lisa Murkowski
Mitt Romney
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Pat Toomey


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Former President Trump has been acquitted in his historic second impeachment trial, with seven Republican senators joining 50 Democrats voting to convict, fewer than the 17 needed.  These are the seven Republicans who voted to convict the former President:

• Richard Burr (R-NC)
• Bill Cassidy (R-LA)
• Susan Collins (R-ME)
• Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
• Mitt Romney (R-MA)
• Ben Sasse (R-NE)
• Pat Toomey (R-PA)
These people are patriots; the rest of the GOP Senators are traitors.  Gonna start doing my part in cancelling the traitors' careers.



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13 Feb 2021, 4:19 pm

A joke, not only the result but the whole "trial". The Republicans, what more can be said at this point? Dems also. No witnesses to find out what Trump was doing while the capital was being ransacked. The most serious act of sedition since the civil war and never mind we got to get our legislation and nominees through. Yes those are very important but Jeez. I wish when I do wrong everybody would be so eager to move on.


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13 Feb 2021, 4:22 pm

Wow, lucky escape for democracy, but 1/6 was so last week. So, what's on Netflix...

Its just bread and circuses.



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13 Feb 2021, 4:28 pm

Can you say "Acquitted"? Sure. I knew you could. :mrgreen:


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13 Feb 2021, 5:07 pm

forget about bipartisanship.