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True.  However, citing the legal definition does knock a hole in your argument through which one could drive a truck.

Here, the other use of the word "feminist" - basically meaning a female bully because many female bullies self-identify as feminists - is also in use. The regular meaning is in use, too.

Obviously, it causes a lot of confusion and unnecessary conflict.

So, I believe, we can agree on:

Equal rights - good
Female bullies - as any other bullies - bad.

Some men in your situation would, I'm glad that you don't



I can difinitely agree with that assessment!

com·mu·nism

noun

a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Does that sound like Stalin or Mao Zedong to you?

Feminism is not about misandry, that’s quite a ridiculous thing to say. The only thing you have offered to support that claim is the writing of a single woman who died decades ago, was irrelevant at the time and has only become more obscure over time. I have never seen a mainstream feminist say anything positive about Solanas, but people like you use her as evidence that women don’t deserve rights.

There is no never ending bashing of men on social media. Again, you can’t just lie and expect other people to believe you. It casts serious doubt on the other claims you have made in this thread when you repeatedly make claims that are blatantly and obviously false.

If you think women do deserve equal rights with men then you’re a feminist. If you don’t then you’re a misogynist. Those are the only two options I am afraid. Of course, the two are not mutually exclusive. From what you’ve said I think you are a feminist, because you support equal rights for women, but you’re also a misogynist, because you judge millions of women negatively based on bad experiences with a small number of women.

Eh? The original version is anti-girl.

I see no evidence of any sincere “killallmen” Tweets. Again, as far as I could tell, the vast majority of the Tweets were people saying how bad the hashtag is, and the rest were very obvious jokes along the lines of flipping the Dictator joke. You’re the one making the extraordinary claim, so the burden is on you to evidence it. How many sincere and non-meta Tweets containing the hashtag can you find from the last week? The last month? The last three months? You’re claiming there’s a deluge. Prove it.


I wasn’t going to mention it, but as it happens, it’s pretty well known that the SCUM manifesto is satirical of society’s attitudes towards women and particularly the works of Sigmund Freud.

Re-read this and have another go.

It is brazenly misogynistic to say that #killallmen is not acceptable even if satirical while also saying that #killallwomen is fine because it was once used satirically.


I have never met a feminist who treated me with contempt because I am male, and I have met plenty. I would also wager you have met plenty of feminists who don’t hate you, but you just don’t know that they are feminists. And in any case, your bad experiences do not justify opposition to feminism.

How would you explain that people seem to hate you but not me? Do you ever get treated with contempt by people who don’t “identify as feminists”?

It reads like a non-sequitur to this conversation.

It demonstrates that a dictionary's definition of an ideology has no bearing on how its constituents conduct themselves in practice. You are disingenuously attempting to dismiss it as a non-sequitur because you are incapable of actually responding to it with a sound argument.

Not saying this particularly about the OP's mom but what is not being discussed is that people back in the 60s and 70s joked and "let off steam" using language considered not acceptable today. Women would say "all men are pigs" or chauvinists and the phrase "male chauvinist pig" was thrown around a lot. Men would say women are gold diggers and would complain about their wives or girlfriends spending all their money. People understood most of the time they did not really mean it or if did mean it was a temporary thing, a result of a breakup or somebody rejecting their overtures.


Same old, same old. People were criticizing feminists for being a bunch of lesbian man-haters back then.

Yep...that's the way it was in those days. Exactly.

Nowadays, we are just too sensitive about many things, in my opinion.

This sounds incredibly silly. like you are telling me what my beliefs are. I can't like strong female characters without being told that that I actually hate men. I guess the recent She-Ra series in being pretty feminist must also hate men despite the fact it never singles anyone out for their gender.

Let me have that:
Neither Stalinism nor Maoism fulfill the most basic requirements needed to be called socialist or communist. They were authoritarian dictatorships.

That's why leftists say: real communism has never been tried.

Communism hasn't failed, but every attempt at creating a communist society has.
When you speak to communists, if you can find some, you'll notice they don't dream of Stalinism or Maoism or any other authoritarian dictatorship. They dream of Communism.

Feminism has, neither in theory nor in practice, ended in authoritarian dictatorship - not even the extreme branches that actually advocate for something along those lines.

You are just equating misandry with feminism, and that makes this thread quite tedious, because no matter hiw many people argue that misandry exists in a subset of feminism, but is not an essential feature, you are insisting it is.

Forgive me for not saving documentation of every man-hating post I’ve ever come across on social media and for not recording video evidence of every time I’ve personally encountered feminists shouting “Men are pigs! Men are trash! Men are scum!” or all the times they attacked me personally. It would impossible for me to go find them all now. But I did give the examples like Clementine Ford’s “Coronavirus isn’t killing men fast enough” tweet and the aforementioned #killallmen that you just a bunch of excuses to rationalize away.

I never said that women don’t deserve rights. If I did say that, you could easily quote the post. You are a blatant liar.



First of all, you do not get to label me! You do not get to create some false binary bullsh!t in which I must adopt whatever label you demand or otherwise be characterized according to your whim. Furthermore, I don’t need to justify myself to the likes of you! I’m most certainly neither a feminist nor a misogynist, and it’s not for the likes of you to decide that I’m either!

As I’ve said already, I don’t have an issue with women. What I object to is feminism. And since I have already thoroughly explained this more than once, it's clear that you are being deliberately disingenuous.



I doublechecked the quote and I misread it the first time. I apologize for making that mistake.



There is nothing extraordinary about my claims. In fact, feminists engaging in man-bashing is rather mundane.

I deleted all my social media accounts years ago, so I haven’t kept up with all it. But here are some examples I found online:

This is a video from Australian TV about the aforementioned tweet from Clementine Ford:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxyJq9Hl-jo

Clementine then doxed a child who reacted angrily to the tweet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... o-boy.html

Feminists organized an online campaign to bully a mentally disabled man in Melbourne because he asked a woman for a high five on the tram. Feminists' call for equality, it seems, does not extend to the mentally handicapped. You can read about it here:
https://antifeminismaustralia.com/cleme ... abled-man/

After a feminist got suspended from Facebook for posting “men are scum”, she organized a 500-person campaign to spread the phrase “men are scum” all over Facebook. In the following article, the author laments the “problem” of hate speech against men not being allowed on Facebook. And by the way, Facebook’s management doesn’t object to hate speech against men; they just couldn't find a suitable loophole that would allow for it while still protecting other groups.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02 ... ate-speech

Here are some other feminist articles I found online:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

https://medium.com/@tannergiles/opinion ... 1aca5fc5cb

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/18544 ... -hate-men/

French feminists blogger wrote a book titled "I Hate Men: More than a banned book, the must-read on feminism, sexism and the patriarchy for every woman

You can order it here:
https://www.amazon.com/Hate-Men-must-re ... 200&sr=8-1

Is that enough proof?



Have I told you how pathetically predictable you are?

If Solanas was simply being satirical, then why did she attempt to murder a man?

I notice that you didn’t only ignore that question, but you edited out when you quoted me. Almost as if you’re deliberately attempting to erase anything that exposes your lies.



It was never my intention to defend #killallwomen. I was simply pointing out that it exists only as a reaction to #killallmen.



Well, assuming you’re not just lying again, I’d say them not expressing contempt to your face might have something to do with the fact that you’re constantly shilling for them.

And sure, I’ve been treated with contempt by non-feminists. But that's a non-sequitur. It's like saying that if Jews are ever treated badly by anyone who isn't a Nazi, that would somehow disprove that Nazis hate Jews.

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Oh, so now I'm lying about the years of abuse I've endured?!

I can't say I'm surprised. After all, this is far from the first time I've heard this from a feminist. You think this kind of behavior is perfectly acceptable when it's directed at men.

It never takes long for your kind to reveal their true nature. Thank you for proving my point to everyone!

It can really be easy to make blanket statements of groups, citing only certain cases. For instances, I was bullied a bit in high school, and they were all pretty much males. Would be fair then for me to say that males are some sort of special problem of hating people like myself? I know you have said feminist in particular instead of gender, but I could point to a particular type of male, in particular the kind you would call a bloke or a larrikin, that I am pretty sure often did not like me for not be masculine enough or something. And if I was questioned on it I could ask if you are calling me a liar for all the abuse I endured from them.

Except I have grown past the point where I think all of those kind of guys are the same. I might not be super comfortable with something like watching the bachelor or other shows especially prominent here in Australia, but I am not telling people that any such people are a scourge. Granted, I got scathing into a topic a while back that was on how the "larrikin" is supposedly dying in comedy, and I was like good riddance to that sort of comedy that was often about making fun of people for not being masculine enough or something.

Hearing your own recounts of abuse are valid, but I don't think that it is a fair assessment of feminism.

I get there are people who simply think "women's rights? I support that." But when it comes to the active feminists who lead the marches and give the speeches and write the books, I see man-bashing all the time. It seems to be hardwired into the ideology itself, even if some feminists aren't consciously aware of it. As an example, I linked an article that details how Facebook assigned a think tank of experts to come up with an exploit in their Community Standards that would allow feminists to post anti-male hate speech without also allowing anti-woman speech. They failed, but that's beside the point. I think we can all agree that there's nothing fringe about the world's largest social network.

I have no interest in the kind of people that would use "Men Are Scum", as far as I know they are TERFs or something. Or the kind of teenage girl I saw in High School that would say that all men are pigs, or something, when they got cheated on by their boyfriend or whatever it was. Maybe there were some element of toxic masculinity involved, I can agree that those sorts of things are bad, along with elements of rape and purity culture, as part of the patriarchy.

I suspect that you are being fed a very warped version of feminism. The one I see is as part of intersectionality, which looks at the different experiences of people who are part of different groups, and part of that is to stop men being fed toxic ideas of what it means to be a man.

The examples of the feminists that do the misandry as you call it, a lot of the time appear to be victims themselves of misogyny, which does not excuse their acts, but explains it all as something that usually does not come out of nowhere, and you apparent war against feminism is probably only just going to make more bad feminism exist.

Can you point to me where in the article you posted that Facebook had a think tank of experts to try and exploit their own standards to allow anti-man speech but not allow anti-woman speech?