07 Sep 2021, 3:12 pm
MaxE wrote:
King0fSpades wrote:
MaxE wrote:
King0fSpades wrote:
Speaking of Cuba, I'd rather not move to a country that locks homosexuals up in concentration camps to be raped, beaten, and killed. Like Fidel Castro did when he was still alive.
Sorry, ain't happening.
I don't advise you to move to Cuba but I'm not certain what you said about them jibes with the article I linked to here, although you may have information that sheds doubt on the credibility of this Reuters article from May:
Havana dons giant rainbow flags in key year for Cuban LGBT+ rights
I was referring to Cuba's treatment of homosexuals under Fidel Castro while he was still alive. The laws may have changed recently but what Fidel did was disgustingly cruel AND he was admired by some of the same leftists in our country who claim to support LGBTQ rights. So talk about irony!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-cas ... gay-rights
I am inclined to doubt that many self-described Leftists in the US really admire Fidel Castro. It's a tough subject to discuss because Fidel gained a lot of support from various people worldwide because they admired him for thumbing his nose at the US and getting away with it. During the Cold War, there was a lot of anti-US feeling in the West, I think a lot of this was encouraged by educators, many of whom may have even been Communists especially in Italy and France which had large Communist parties. What I mean is, that Fidel (and Che Guevara, think of the Motorcycle Diaries) always had a positive image in those places but it's unlikely the average person there knew very much about their actual careers.
Canada is a special case. For some reason, Pierre Elliott Trudeau (the current PM's father) when he himself was PM, had a bromance with Fidel and sometimes hung out with him in Cuba. So it apparently became sort of a Canadian thing to be sympathetic to the Cuban govt., again most likely without much real knowledge of the situation on the part of the average person.
I guess when I say it's complicated, what I mean is that Fidel is sometimes seen as a person Americans resent because he humiliated us, and therefore we shouldn't accept at fact value everything negative we are told here about his career.
But to repeat, I suspect only a small fraction of self-identified Leftists in the US truly admire him, although some might be impatient with having him used as an example of why we should oppose Socialism (whatever you happen to mean by that term).
Meh, I think dictators are dictators.
People around the world and in our own country are always quick to harshly judge the US over every single mistake we've ever made yet you've also got people around the world who admire monsters like Fidel, Mao, and Stalin who were well known for their cruelty and oppression of their own people who were fleeing their countries to seek refuge here in the US. Why do some people side with them? Because they stood up to the epitome of evil, racism, and capitalism better known as Ammmmuuurrriicccaaaa.
And people wonder why I claim to be a misanthrope? I just dont get stoopid humans!
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08 Sep 2021, 5:14 am
Historically, the idea of America is *personal freedom from government*.
own a gun <--freedom
say hateful things about others <--freedom
individual medical insurance <--freedom
starve to death as a homeless person <--freedom
These are freedoms you may not find in countries like Canada, and the UK.
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08 Sep 2021, 6:05 am
Jakki wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
freedumb to be bankrupted for life if you dare to get seriously sick.
agrees with auntblabbys post . Simple fix though , just don't ever get sick in any way . And if you do you better hope you can get good quality care . Money or not .
just as easy to plant a money tree in the backyard.
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08 Sep 2021, 6:27 am
auntblabby wrote:
Jakki wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
freedumb to be bankrupted for life if you dare to get seriously sick.
agrees with auntblabbys post . Simple fix though , just don't ever get sick in any way . And if you do you better hope you can get good quality care . Money or not .
just as easy to plant a money tree in the backyard.
Wants one of those.
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08 Sep 2021, 9:32 am
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
freedumb to be bankrupted for life if you dare to get seriously sick.
the freedom vs security spectrum
lock everyone in their homes <--less freedom, fewer people die
control what people eat <--less freedom, less obesity, fewer people die
ban cars <--less freedom, fewer people die
America is about more freedom, less security, so as you point out, more individual hardships.
However, the alternatives are scary.
Freedom to be a death cult.
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08 Sep 2021, 9:33 am
Axeman wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
freedumb to be bankrupted for life if you dare to get seriously sick.
the freedom vs security spectrum
lock everyone in their homes <--less freedom, fewer people die
control what people eat <--less freedom, less obesity, fewer people die
ban cars <--less freedom, fewer people die
America is about more freedom, less security, so as you point out, more individual hardships.
However, the alternatives are scary.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither--Ben Franklin
In a David Pakman segment yesterday talking about vaccines, he referenced some mandated vaccine law from ~1918 where the US Supreme Court ruled that freedoms granted under the constitution stopped when said freedom impacted someone else' safety, and thus the mandatory vaccine law stood in order to protect others. Apparently that vaccine mandate law is probably going to become a hot topic as time rolls forward and the current Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated needs to end asap.
You'd think the same application of the law would apply to things like lockdowns, vehicle operation etc - you're free to do your thing just so long as it's not negatively impacting others. Sounds reasonable.
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