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10 Oct 2021, 2:18 pm

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If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?



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10 Oct 2021, 2:21 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?


I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.


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10 Oct 2021, 2:31 pm

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Why do these “peasants” expect and demand that someone else hire them and pay them more than their labors are worth? Why do they not band together and collectively start up their own businesses and pay themselves the wages they believe they deserve?


because they are all waiting at the Southern border trying to get past immigration ? :roll:


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10 Oct 2021, 2:44 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?


I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.


That's ridiculous on so many levels. Hey I could just quit my real job and bag groceries four days a week. It's work life balance man.

Jackwagon ideas like this is why this crap will fail.



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10 Oct 2021, 2:56 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?


I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.


You need to read Atlas Shrugged.



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10 Oct 2021, 2:57 pm

Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?


I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.


That's ridiculous on so many levels. Hey I could just quit my real job and bag groceries four days a week. It's work life balance man.

Jackwagon ideas like this is why this crap will fail.


Perhaps you should focus on improving your work conditions instead of attacking people who wish to improve theirs.

If they're able to make ends meet then my own sh***y job won't be justifiable anymore isn't as good of point as you'd like it to be.


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10 Oct 2021, 3:00 pm

Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?


I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.


You need to read Atlas Shrugged.


I picked the one with orcs instead.

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged . One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.” -John Rogers


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10 Oct 2021, 3:07 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?


I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.


That's ridiculous on so many levels. Hey I could just quit my real job and bag groceries four days a week. It's work life balance man.

Jackwagon ideas like this is why this crap will fail.


Perhaps you should focus on improving your work conditions instead of attacking people who wish to improve theirs.

If they're able to make ends meet then my own sh***y job won't be justifiable anymore isn't as good of point as you'd like it to be.



Stores would close en mass if this crap happened and then where would these people work? You would probably see nothing wrong with everyone on the dole but then you don't have a functioning society. Grocery is a very low profit business and a shopping trolley pusher shouldn't make more than 9 an hour. If that doesn't work for them they should consider improving themselves rather than demanding stuff not earned.



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10 Oct 2021, 3:08 pm

Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?


I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.


That's ridiculous on so many levels. Hey I could just quit my real job and bag groceries four days a week. It's work life balance man.

Jackwagon ideas like this is why this crap will fail.


Perhaps you should focus on improving your work conditions instead of attacking people who wish to improve theirs.

If they're able to make ends meet then my own sh***y job won't be justifiable anymore isn't as good of point as you'd like it to be.



Stores would close en mass if this crap happened and then where would these people work? You would probably see nothing wrong with everyone on the dole but then you don't have a functioning society. Grocery is a very low profit business and a shopping trolley pusher shouldn't make more than 9 an hour. If that doesn't work for them they should consider improving themselves rather than demanding stuff not earned.


Will the demand for groceries just vanish overnight? Last I checked everyone needs to eat and they prefer to do it more than once a day.


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10 Oct 2021, 3:16 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labo byur shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs? :lol:


So you want twenty an hr to bag groceries?


I want the person who bags my groceries to be paid a living wage.


That's ridiculous on so many levels. Hey I could just quit my real job and bag groceries four days a week. It's work life balance man.

Jackwagon ideas like this is why this crap will fail.


Perhaps you should focus on improving your work conditions instead of attacking people who wish to improve theirs.

If they're able to make ends meet then my own sh***y job won't be justifiable anymore isn't as good of point as you'd like it to be.



Stores would close en mass if this crap happened and then where would these people work? You would probably see nothing wrong with everyone on the dole but then you don't have a functioning society. Grocery is a very low profit business and a shopping trolley pusher shouldn't make more than 9 an hour. If that doesn't work for them they should consider improving themselves rather than demanding stuff not earned.


Will the demand for groceries just vanish overnight? Last I checked everyone needs to eat and they prefer to do it more than once a day.


The stores would close because they wouldn't be profitable enough anymore without drastically raising food prices.

And if they weren't cheap there would be a revolution in no time. The governments of Western nations know this and do what they can to keep the price of food down. People have no clue where food comes from. Farmers don't grow it for free or supply it for the common good.



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10 Oct 2021, 3:21 pm

Obviously any increase to costs would cause at least some degree of impact as a result, but you're talking like only people who work at the grocery store would see an increase to their wages and you're acting like there's never been any sorta cost increase in that business before so they'd certainly be doomed. None of that is reasonable and it seems like you're just doing the same fear-mongering neo-liberals always use to defend their failed system.

If your business can't provide a living wage to every employee it doesn't have a viable model.


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10 Oct 2021, 3:47 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Obviously any increase to costs would cause at least some degree of impact as a result, but you're talking like only people who work at the grocery store would see an increase to their wages and you're acting like there's never been any sorta cost increase in that business before so they'd certainly be doomed. None of that is reasonable and it seems like you're just doing the same fear-mongering neo-liberals always use to defend their failed system.

If your business can't provide a living wage to every employee it doesn't have a viable model.


And Government here issues reports thst grocery prices will be climbing , Well they already are
and thanks to trillion dollar budget increases in the USA , it surely appears that it will continue.
But there are no reports of wage increases anywhere . But with the advent of tremendously more immigrants, there will be more competition for these lousey paying jobs . Something is off .
And it appears our own government is encouraging the situation . Or it could be my imagination ?


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10 Oct 2021, 4:01 pm

Jakki wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Obviously any increase to costs would cause at least some degree of impact as a result, but you're talking like only people who work at the grocery store would see an increase to their wages and you're acting like there's never been any sorta cost increase in that business before so they'd certainly be doomed. None of that is reasonable and it seems like you're just doing the same fear-mongering neo-liberals always use to defend their failed system.

If your business can't provide a living wage to every employee it doesn't have a viable model.


And Government here issues reports thst grocery prices will be climbing , Well they already are
and thanks to trillion dollar budget increases in the USA , it surely appears that it will continue.
But there are no reports of wage increases anywhere . But with the advent of tremendously more immigrants, there will be more competition for these lousey paying jobs . Something is off .
And it appears our own government is encouraging the situation . Or it could be my imagination ?


Your government is listening to it's bosses and it's bosses don't want living wages or equal access to healthcare. A centre-right and a far-right party both pretend to represent the average person's interests but who's dumb enough to actually fall for that lie based on their actions?

Maybe more tax cuts for the rich and corporations will make things better? That seems to be what both parties love to go to and when there's talk of raising things to more closely match where they were during the good ol' days people lose their s**t and act like you're proposing seizing the means of production and nationalizing all industry.


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10 Oct 2021, 4:13 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Jakki wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Obviously any increase to costs would cause at least some degree of impact as a result, but you're talking like only people who work at the grocery store would see an increase to their wages and you're acting like there's never been any sorta cost increase in that business before so they'd certainly be doomed. None of that is reasonable and it seems like you're just doing the same fear-mongering neo-liberals always use to defend their failed system.

If your business can't provide a living wage to every employee it doesn't have a viable model.


And Government here issues reports thst grocery prices will be climbing , Well they already are
and thanks to trillion dollar budget increases in the USA , it surely appears that it will continue.
But there are no reports of wage increases anywhere . But with the advent of tremendously more immigrants, there will be more competition for these lousey paying jobs . Something is off .
And it appears our own government is encouraging the situation . Or it could be my imagination ?


Your government is listening to it's bosses and it's bosses don't want living wages or equal access to healthcare. A centre-right and a far-right party both pretend to represent the average person's interests but who's dumb enough to actually fall for that lie based on their actions?

Maybe more tax cuts for the rich and corporations will make things better? That seems to be what both parties love to go to and when there's talk of raising things to more closely match where they were during the good ol' days people lose their s**t and act like you're proposing seizing the means of production and nationalizing all industry.


So you see the Democrats as center right and the Republicans as far right. The Democrats actually range from Socialist Progressive to Moderate Conservative. It's a very heterogeneous party. The Republicans range from mushy middle moderate to Facists. Problem is extremist parties in the US have little shot on their own and they know it.



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10 Oct 2021, 4:29 pm

Dems have a handful of social dems among their ranks but they also do everything they can to minimize the influence of those people.

It's not as though the criticisms driving this proposed general strike are limited to extremists though. Even establishment economists like Robert Reich voice very similar criticisms.

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But even if the problem is obvious the donor class will keep bribing both parties to avoid addressing it because it doesn't harm them and only benefits them.


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10 Oct 2021, 4:45 pm

Grocery prices are going up because of shortages related to people taking advantage of aid intended for covid victims. See they aren't working because they don't have to pay rent and are still exploiting unemployment benefits.