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04 Feb 2022, 1:28 am

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Well in my profession that i have worked in, filmmaking, actors are required to not wear masks for their job. So that is one career that cannot function with masks all the time. That's just an example of a profession where you cannot wear masks, if the profession is to function.

But I saw if people are vaccinated, like the actors, let them not wear masks. What if they had a law that anyone who is vaxed doesn't have to wear a mask in their profession... Perhaps this would inspire other people to get vaccinated as well, if they knew they wouldn't need a mask in their profession if they do so...


As I understand it, film and television studios don't require actors to wear masks while working, as long as they're vaccinated.


That's what they say on paper but it's been a lot harder here legally speaking. They want you to get tested everyday pretty much even though, it takes longer than a day for a test to come back.



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04 Feb 2022, 1:35 am

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Well in my profession that i have worked in, filmmaking, actors are required to not wear masks for their job. So that is one career that cannot function with masks all the time. That's just an example of a profession where you cannot wear masks, if the profession is to function.

But I saw if people are vaccinated, like the actors, let them not wear masks. What if they had a law that anyone who is vaxed doesn't have to wear a mask in their profession... Perhaps this would inspire other people to get vaccinated as well, if they knew they wouldn't need a mask in their profession if they do so...


As I understand it, film and television studios don't require actors to wear masks while working, as long as they're vaccinated.


That's what they say on paper but it's been a lot harder here legally speaking. They want you to get tested everyday pretty much even though, it takes longer than a day for a test to come back.


As they say, better safe than sorry. As people have died from the virus, I'd think that sort of inconvenience is a much preferable alternative.


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04 Feb 2022, 1:51 am

But the problem is the government does not realize the paradox. They want people to get tested everday, yet it takes at a few days at least to get a test back.

But also, everyone in the job is already vaccinated so the vaccinated people should be allowed to work without this, since they are vaccinated and that's the best you can do, covid wise.



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04 Feb 2022, 1:53 am

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Why is the government so desperate to keep lockdowns going? I don't believe they actually care this much about covid and I don't think that so many people in the government are Santa Claus with a big heart. It seems to be they have ulterior motives, but what are they?

Also, when other pandemics happened in the past, the government wasn't this harsh on them, yet covid seems to be the acception and they act like it's equivalent to Armageddon. Why? What's the real motive?

Comparisons of then and now are like comparing apple and oranges. The whole way of thinking about things was different. I was in 6th grade for the Hong Kong flu pandemic in 1968 20 of 25 of my classmates out sick and nothing was closed down. Lets state the obvious, lockdown was not an option, there was no remote work option. If everything was shut down it would have meant instant 90 percent unemployment followed in short order by societal collapse. Disease and death and uncertainty were an expected part of life. The adults had fought in World War Two and if they did not fight knew people who fought were crippled and died. They were used to shortages and uncertainty from not experiencing not only WWII but the great depression. No google, no tap on your phone and get an instant solution to your problem.

The experts and authorities had won the war little obvious reason for distrust and cynicism.


But this is the problem is that people say that they couldn't beat the disease back then, where as nowadays, people are so stubborn and keep wanting to have lockdowns, and make the world a worst place, all because they cannot admit defeat and are incomplete denial that covid cannot be beaten. So why don't we go back to humbly accepting when you cannot beat a virus, and just accept it, compared to being so stubborn that you are willing to try anything, even though you cannot beat it...

I am basically with you about this. It is human nature, hubris, denial etc. Government officials are not immune from these. But do not underestimate the technology creating unrealistic expectations.


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04 Feb 2022, 1:54 am

What technology would that be?



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04 Feb 2022, 2:01 am

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But the problem is the government does not realize the paradox. They want people to get tested everday, yet it takes at a few days at least to get a test back.

But also, everyone in the job is already vaccinated so the vaccinated people should be allowed to work without this, since they are vaccinated and that's the best you can do, covid wise.


But is that the decision of the government, or of studio management?


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04 Feb 2022, 2:08 am

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They want you to get tested everyday pretty much even though, it takes longer than a day for a test to come back.


Where I am we aren't allowed to use rapid tests. They aren't available and they aren't considered valid. PCR tests are only for people who are already in hospital, have cancer, or are transplant recipients. Those tests take about 10 days to schedule and 5 days for a return. Everyone else with symptoms has to assume they have it and stay home from work - generally with lost pay or possibly lost jobs even though the person might have just had a cold. There is no way to show a "Negative" result to your work the way Americans do with rapid tests.

The lack of consistency across the country is problematic.


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04 Feb 2022, 2:11 am

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But the problem is the government does not realize the paradox. They want people to get tested everday, yet it takes at a few days at least to get a test back.

But also, everyone in the job is already vaccinated so the vaccinated people should be allowed to work without this, since they are vaccinated and that's the best you can do, covid wise.


But is that the decision of the government, or of studio management?


I am guessing the government because I don't think studio management would restrict their progress so much, without government interference.



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04 Feb 2022, 2:12 am

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They want you to get tested everyday pretty much even though, it takes longer than a day for a test to come back.


Where I am we aren't allowed to use rapid tests. They aren't available and they aren't considered valid. PCR tests are only for people who are already in hospital, have cancer, or are transplant recipients. Those tests take about 10 days to schedule and 5 days for a return. Everyone else with symptoms has to assume they have it and stay home from work - generally with lost pay or possibly lost jobs even though the person might have just had a cold. There is no way to show a "Negative" result to your work the way Americans do with rapid tests.

The lack of consistency across the country is problematic.


But since people work everyday in lots of jobs, they cannot afford to wait up to 15 days for a result to come back. So their has to be a system in place to get the results back that day, and soon to start work, if they expect this system to be in place. Otherwise it's an unreasonable system if people are expected to work consecutive days in a row.



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04 Feb 2022, 2:26 am

ironpony wrote:
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But the problem is the government does not realize the paradox. They want people to get tested everday, yet it takes at a few days at least to get a test back.

But also, everyone in the job is already vaccinated so the vaccinated people should be allowed to work without this, since they are vaccinated and that's the best you can do, covid wise.


But is that the decision of the government, or of studio management?


I am guessing the government because I don't think studio management would restrict their progress so much, without government interference.


I asked, because I don't know of any other profession abiding by such rules mandated by the government. So I have to think it's the studios themselves.


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04 Feb 2022, 2:30 am

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But since people work everyday in lots of jobs, they cannot afford to wait up to 15 days for a result to come back. So their has to be a system in place to get the results back that day, and soon to start work, if they expect this system to be in place. Otherwise it's an unreasonable system if people are expected to work consecutive days in a row.


Yes. It sounds like Rapid Tests do that.
Americans go through them like candy - even though it's bad for the environment
I know American people who do a test almost daily, to excess -- or they sell them
Meanwhile other countries around the world have no access to the tests
I got Omicron symptoms on NewYear's Eve and I'm still in isolation a month later.
I'm not allowed to be tested by PCR because I don't have cancer or an organ transplant.
We don't allow Rapid Testing here.
I was told to stay home until better +5 days, but that still hasn't occurred yet
If I had been working I'd be fired by now
In the meantime my daughter caught it and we need to quarantine 21 days after her positive

I don't understand why every village, province, state, country has different rules.
If it's "Trust the Science!" then we should have all done the same thing around the world.
Science told us Covid-19 could be eradicated by a two week lockdown worldwide.
USA refused to participate.
Canada did particiapte, but that lockdown has never ended almost two years later


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04 Feb 2022, 9:21 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ironpony wrote:
But the problem is the government does not realize the paradox. They want people to get tested everday, yet it takes at a few days at least to get a test back.

But also, everyone in the job is already vaccinated so the vaccinated people should be allowed to work without this, since they are vaccinated and that's the best you can do, covid wise.


But is that the decision of the government, or of studio management?


I am guessing the government because I don't think studio management would restrict their progress so much, without government interference.


I asked, because I don't know of any other profession abiding by such rules mandated by the government. So I have to think it's the studios themselves.


But there are different studios though, so I didn't think they would all impliment the same rule. Makes me wonder if any studios have not therefore.

But also, if the government wants more people to get vaccinated, why don't they just make it a rule that people who are do not have to wear masks in their jobs... This would motivate more people to get vaccinated if they knew they were getting something more back from it.



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04 Feb 2022, 9:31 am

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What technology would that be?

Pretty much everything that trains our minds to expect instant problem solving.


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04 Feb 2022, 9:35 am

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What technology would that be?

Pretty much everything that trains our minds to expect instant problem solving.


Oh I see. Is there anything we can do to convince employers to not expect such instant problem solving for their employees?



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04 Feb 2022, 4:34 pm

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What technology would that be?

Pretty much everything that trains our minds to expect instant problem solving.


Oh I see. Is there anything we can do to convince employers to not expect such instant problem solving for their employees?

We can't undo the technology so probably not.


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04 Feb 2022, 5:10 pm

ironpony wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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But the problem is the government does not realize the paradox. They want people to get tested everday, yet it takes at a few days at least to get a test back.

But also, everyone in the job is already vaccinated so the vaccinated people should be allowed to work without this, since they are vaccinated and that's the best you can do, covid wise.


But is that the decision of the government, or of studio management?


I am guessing the government because I don't think studio management would restrict their progress so much, without government interference.


I asked, because I don't know of any other profession abiding by such rules mandated by the government. So I have to think it's the studios themselves.


But there are different studios though, so I didn't think they would all impliment the same rule. Makes me wonder if any studios have not therefore.

But also, if the government wants more people to get vaccinated, why don't they just make it a rule that people who are do not have to wear masks in their jobs... This would motivate more people to get vaccinated if they knew they were getting something more back from it.


The thing is, though, that mandate is rarely enforced (and when it is, it's by leveling a fine on the workplace), and I think management is allowed a lot of latitude with how it's enforced.


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