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02 Mar 2022, 1:52 am

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Biden administration pauses oil and gas leasing for a second time
Nicole Pollack Feb 21, 2022 Updated Feb 21, 2022


Could this have tipped pootin's decision to invade Ukraine?
Ammmuuuria being more dependent on russian oil and be more likely not to interfere as a result?

No idea. 8)



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02 Mar 2022, 2:04 am

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Okay thanks. I am watching the video but how does this fix a birthrate declining though? Are the men or women if the Ukraine more fertile in terms of access?

It isn't about that aspect of the thing, it is about you invading them while you are best able to with the amount of people you have right now.

Money is also a factor.

Geography and your sense of national security is also a factor.

Money and its importance to the continuing existence of your personal power and your country's economy is also a factor.

Money and its importance to the continuing existence of your country's military is also a factor.

Climate and energy are also factors.

Money from exporting your country's energy supplies is also a factor.


Oh okay thanks. Why didn't Putin say these were the reasons though, instead of giving the reason that the Ukraine possibly joining NATO is a threat, as to why?

But let's also say that is a big reason, as it was pointed out before that if you attack a NATO country, all the NATO countries would rise up against you? Why didn't Putin just join Russia with NATO? Because if he were to do that, then NATO wouldn't rise up against him if he Russia was a NATO nation itself? Then he could just attack Ukraine without worrying about NATO rising up against him, if Russia itself was a NATO nation?

But also, if he were to join NATO this also gives him an in, to find out who about his enemies as well. So why didn't he join Russia with NATO for those reasons?


Putin didn't give the NATO threat as his reason, WE did. HE claimed to be "freeing" people who don't want to be part of the Ukraine, and is claiming the Ukrainian government is criminal.

As an autocrat, Putin's largest challenge to his own leadership would be if his people believed that western Democracy was better than the system and leadership they currently have in Russia. Russia aligns with other autocracies, and wants to discredit western Democracy as a viable form of government. He would never align with a NATO country unless he believed that country was descending in autocracy on its own already. It's about visions of leadership, should Democracy as a system of leadership prevail, or should autocracy. He has spent a lifetime discrediting western Democracy as a viable system.

No one should ever underestimate Putin's intelligence and ability to play a long game. Knowing his exact motives is difficult because he disguises his true motives. You have to read people who've studied him for a long, long time to get the best guesses; he's a master of propaganda and manipulation. But one thing we know: he loves his own power, and no one who loves their own power is ever satisfied with the current extent of it.


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02 Mar 2022, 10:50 am

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No one should ever underestimate Putin's intelligence and ability to play a long game. Knowing his exact motives is difficult because he disguises his true motives. You have to read people who've studied him for a long, long time to get the best guesses; he's a master of propaganda and manipulation. But one thing we know: he loves his own power, and no one who loves their own power is ever satisfied with the current extent of it.


Yep, that pretty much nails it.


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02 Mar 2022, 4:28 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
No one should ever underestimate Putin's intelligence and ability to play a long game. Knowing his exact motives is difficult because he disguises his true motives. You have to read people who've studied him for a long, long time to get the best guesses; he's a master of propaganda and manipulation. But one thing we know: he loves his own power, and no one who loves their own power is ever satisfied with the current extent of it.


Yep, that pretty much nails it.


pootin is a psychopath, not stupid or insane. 8)



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03 Mar 2022, 12:48 am

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pootin is a psychopath, not stupid or insane. 8)

A psychopath can get insane. Any factor of one's health can deteriorate with age.


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03 Mar 2022, 12:51 am

magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
pootin is a psychopath, not stupid or insane. 8)

A psychopath can get insane. Any factor of one's health can deteriorate with age.


Correction:
I don't think pootin is insane. 8)
Time will tell. ;)



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03 Mar 2022, 1:21 am

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Oh okay. Another thing I found interesting was this. I know this is Fox News, but is it true what they say in the video that Biden decide to a pause on oil and gas leases in America the exact same day that Russia invaded Ukraine. This is said at 6:35 into the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnwKN0bzghw
Now I know it's fox news, but is it true though that Biden did do that the same day, or are they lying?


Russia didn't invade Ukraine last year,
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-cl ... cff9d5fa6e
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Federal judge blocks Biden’s pause on new oil, gas leases
By KEVIN McGILL
June 15, 2021
... The moratorium was imposed after Biden on Jan. 27 signed executive orders to fight climate change. The suit was filed in March. The Interior Department later canceled oil and gas lease sales from public lands through June — affecting Nevada, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming and the bureau’s eastern region.


:arrow: And this year Russia Invaded Ukraine on the 24th not the 21st,
https://trib.com/business/energy/biden- ... bc478.html
Biden administration pauses oil and gas leasing for a second time
Nicole Pollack Feb 21, 2022 Updated Feb 21, 2022


Oh okay, but do you think it's suspicious that Biden decided to buy oil and gas from Russia within such proximity to Russia, invading almost as if the two are related, suspicious-time wise?



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03 Mar 2022, 1:33 am

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Oh okay, but do you think it's suspicious that Biden decided to buy oil and gas from Russia within such proximity to Russia, invading almost as if the two are related, suspicious-time wise?

I'd say it shows Biden listens to his intelligence reports and takes them seriously.


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03 Mar 2022, 2:17 am

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Oh okay, but do you think it's suspicious that Biden decided to buy oil and gas from Russia within such proximity to Russia, invading almost as if the two are related, suspicious-time wise?

I'd say it shows Biden listens to his intelligence reports and takes them seriously.


But if Biden is buying gas and oil from Russia, it shows that he is supporting a tyrannical country, since they are invading Ukraine.



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03 Mar 2022, 2:19 am

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But if Biden is buying gas and oil from Russia, it shows that he is supporting a tyrannical country, since they are invading Ukraine.

We've all been.
Now we're changing it.
You can see the 180 degrees shift all over EU now.


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03 Mar 2022, 4:10 am

ironpony wrote:
magz wrote:
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Oh okay, but do you think it's suspicious that Biden decided to buy oil and gas from Russia within such proximity to Russia, invading almost as if the two are related, suspicious-time wise?

I'd say it shows Biden listens to his intelligence reports and takes them seriously.


But if Biden is buying gas and oil from Russia, it shows that he is supporting a tyrannical country, since they are invading Ukraine.


Some have strongly, and rightly, made this point.
Europe, and Germany in particular, was bankrolling this psychopath, mainly thanks to the turtle.
What a biatch. 8O

Thankfully, she is no longer on the scene. 8)



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03 Mar 2022, 4:18 pm

In being someone who is not living there and experiencing that I'm certainly not willing to label them as confused,
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fe ... 022-03-03/

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One Russian man, who moved back to Moscow from western Europe around a year ago, said he had bought a flight to Istanbul for the weekend, adding that living in Moscow may no longer be possible.

"I'm afraid that mobilisation will be introduced tomorrow and I won't be able to fly out," said the 29-year-old, requesting anonymity like others cited in this article.

"In my worst nightmares I couldn't have dreamt of such hell when I was coming back a year ago."

Another man, aged 38, said he had managed to buy an expensive ticket to fly to the Middle East at the weekend.

"I don't want to fight in this war. We've heard lots of rumours and I don't trust the Kremlin when it says they aren't true," he said.


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03 Mar 2022, 6:38 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
In being someone who is not living there and experiencing that I'm certainly not willing to label them as confused,
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fe ... 022-03-03/
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One Russian man, who moved back to Moscow from western Europe around a year ago, said he had bought a flight to Istanbul for the weekend, adding that living in Moscow may no longer be possible.

"I'm afraid that mobilisation will be introduced tomorrow and I won't be able to fly out," said the 29-year-old, requesting anonymity like others cited in this article.

"In my worst nightmares I couldn't have dreamt of such hell when I was coming back a year ago."

Another man, aged 38, said he had managed to buy an expensive ticket to fly to the Middle East at the weekend.

"I don't want to fight in this war. We've heard lots of rumours and I don't trust the Kremlin when it says they aren't true," he said.


Yesterday, I heard from a reliable media source (yes, I know it is an oxymoron. ;)) that around 65% of Russians support that psychopath, pootin. 8O



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08 Mar 2022, 3:01 am

Well it seems to me that no one wants to take on Russia because that would men nuclear war but is there any other way, or any other chance of possibly defeating their advancement? I mean you can't beat them with on ground fighting because they are a nuclear supowerpower, so what do you do then? Is there any way to kill Putin and his associates otherwise, that they wouldn't see coming as much?



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08 Mar 2022, 3:07 am

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Well it seems to me that no one wants to take on Russia because that would men nuclear war but is there any other way, or any other chance of possibly defeating their advancement? I mean you can't beat them with on ground fighting because they are a nuclear supowerpower, so what do you do then? Is there any way to kill Putin and his associates otherwise, that they wouldn't see coming as much?

The Cold War has been won with economy.


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08 Mar 2022, 3:20 am

Are we supposed to wait for the economy to come around again for the Ukraine to win the war with Russia now?