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10 Sep 2022, 1:09 pm



'This' Is A Matter of Respecting Those Who Experience
Life Differently Than We Do. In The 'Real World' Folks Usually

Don't Insult Folks Face-to-Face, It's Just Not A 'Real Human Thing' to Do.

Of Course, There's Also The Potential For Accountability; Yes, Beyond Hiding
Behind An Anonymous Avatar on the Internet; Anyone May Be As Foul As They Are

And Get Away With it As Long The Current Ruling Community Standards Allow.

Rowling Suggested That Autistic Folks aren't 'Responsible' Enough to Understand
What Gender Orientation They Are Because of Their Disability. And Yes A Deficiency

In Cognitive Empathy and the Inability to Put Oneself into the Shoes of Others is
Considered A Functional Deficit on the Autism Spectrum Up to Seeing Other Folks

as Just Objects to Manipulate in the Environment in More Severe Cases of Autism.

Of Course, Science Shows Some Autistic Folks Have Very High Functioning Mirror Neurons
And Extremely High Empathy And Sensitivity to the Pain and Pleasure of Others; Others Not so

Much; Some More likely to fit the STEM Major 'Type;'

And Others More Likely to Fit the Eccentric Artist 'Type;'

It's a Spectrum, You've Met One Person on the Autism Spectrum, You've Met JUST one Person.

Gender And Sexual Orientation is Also A Spectrum Where Biology Proves How Complicated

Gender Is As a Spectrum And Of Course Sexual Orientation As Well As Both Are Impacted
By Nature and Nurture too;

Anyway, 'Michael Savage' Was Also
Scathed on Social Media too For Suggesting

That Boys With Autism Were Just Mama's Boys Who Never Became Men.

Of Course Obviously, Michael Savage Had An Ongoing "Napoleon Syndrome" too...

Yet That's Just My Opinion; When You Have 'A Name' And When You Are A Public Figure

You Will Expect to be Publicly Criticized if You make One False Move in the Eyes of Whatever

'Target Audience' Puts the Target On Your Back;

And Sure, Jordan Peterson Learned the Consequences

of BULLYING A YOUNG WOMAN ON A SPORTS ILLUSTRATED
COVER AS THAT PRIVATE COMPANY DECIDED LARGER SIZE WOMEN
WHO ARE BEAUTIFUL DESERVE A PLACE ON THE COVER TOO; HOW IGNORANT

HOW DENSE

HOW TOTALLY

OUT OF TOUCH GETTING

ON TWITTER AND CALLING
A WOMAN NOT BEAUTIFUL;

HE PAID THE PRICE AND

SO DID JK ROWLING TOO;

IT'S THE JUNGLE; IT'S THE FOREST;

IT'S WHAT APES AND HUMAN APES DO TOO;

THEY GET TO DECIDE TOGETHER WHO GETS TO
'STAY ON THE ISLAND' OR GETS VOTED OFF NEXT.

Younger Generations Have Decided That Folks Who Are
Odd Like Autistic Folks; Folks Who Are Different Like LGBQT

Folks Get to Stay on the Island And Folks Who Give them A Problem
Get A Problem Back too; JK Rowling Didn't Have to Do Anything Wrong

Other than Go Against What 'the Community' Has Decided Are the New Standards Now;

It's Not Surprising That Folks in 'the Community' Are Pushing Back Against Cultural Change
for Community Standards; It's the way It's Always Been Done; More Liberal Social Justice

Folks With A Whole Lot of Empathy Who Are More Open Minded Will Assert The Rights
of Minorities Who Are Oppressed; And Those Who Are More Closed-Minded And So-Called

Conservative More Averse to Change Will Insist that Stuff Stays the Same As Tradition oF Old;

(Social Scientist And Ted-Talk-Dude, Jonathan Haidt's Work For Reference)

Guess WHAT,

Change is the

Only CONSTANT

IN EXISTENCE AND
AS MUCH as some folks

Would And Do Love To Pretend
That's Not Real, it is; Typically YES,

We Progress; Typically, YES, Hehe We Digress;

And Typically We Can And Will Fall BacK in The Cave,
Stagnate, And Rot, Just Sitting in Front of Screens on our Butts...

Really No Progressing At All And As Health Science Shows Shortening Our Lives...

Hmm...

It's A Complicated
Situation Dude; And It's

A Hard Knock Life These Days
For Folks Who Are Not Open Minded
Enough to Deal With the Speed of Cultural Change New Now...

There's Always the Opportunity to Sit in a Cave And Stay Blind-Folded;
True, Some Folks Take that Option too; Not me Baby, i'm Free in the Wild;

And the More Diverse Human Nature is in Colors, The More i Enjoy Studying it all...

Of Course on the Big Five Personality Test i Score 100 Percent Open Minded, And
Close to Zero Percent in Neuroticism, Free As A Bird With Wings; Conscientious
At 100 Percent on Task And 100 Percent Extraverted As the Evidence Does
Show 'TWO" Switch Hitting to 100 Percent Introverted as i Care to Do too;

Forget About IT, When It's Time to Eat in Artistic Flow; my Secretary Keeps me up to date.

And as Far As Agreeable Goes; It Depends on What Environment i am in; Could Go both Ways too.

And True for me, Give me A Zillion Pronouns And I'll Paint Each and Everyone New Yet That's
Me Not You;

And i Surely Don't
Ever Expect Anyone
to be like me even
if they Wanted to or Tried HAha...

Dude, We are on An Autism Site For Folks
Who Are Neuro-Diverse; You Just 'Tried' to
Bully me in another Thread Saying Folks Don't

Converse With me Because i Am 'OFF' As You Put that in Italics.

Listen Up, i Am Not Normal, And Many Folks Love it in Ways You Likely Can't Imagine...

Thing is Baby,

i Consider the
Source; And When
i Hear Folks Do Stuff
Like THAT i Speak Up;

Not For me, Yet for Other Potential 'Victims' here;

i'm Not Surprised You Do Not See the Problem Here;

However, It Doesn't Make me Mad At You That You Don't See It....

It Doesn't Even Annoy me; i More Particularly Enjoy Helping Folks See Other Views...



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10 Sep 2022, 3:12 pm

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Or maybe your autism traits impair your ability to see what other people find offensive about what jkr said and did so you personally see nothing wrong with it.


It's a possibility, but I don't think it's likely, my self awareness is usually pretty good for an autist.


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10 Sep 2022, 3:46 pm

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10 Sep 2022, 3:56 pm

I don't know what she did wrong. All I know is that I like her books. I don't think she said or did anything wrong.


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10 Sep 2022, 4:20 pm

aghogday wrote:

Rowling Suggested That Autistic Folks aren't 'Responsible' Enough to Understand
What Gender Orientation They Are Because of Their Disability. And Yes A Deficiency

In Cognitive Empathy and the Inability to Put Oneself into the Shoes of Others is
Considered A Functional Deficit on the Autism Spectrum Up to Seeing Other Folks

as Just Objects to Manipulate in the Environment in More Severe Cases of Autism.


Do you have a citation for Rowling saying that?

aghogday wrote:
You Just 'Tried' to
Bully me in another Thread Saying Folks Don't

Converse With me Because i Am 'OFF' As You Put that in Italics.


I didn't "try to bully you", if you recall it was you who tried threatening me with the mods, I was just thinking aloud about why more people don't engage with the objectionable things you say, which I suspect is similar to the reasons people don't stop to converse with raving homeless people, as it seems like it would be unpleasant and a waste of time. I'll admit, most of the time I just skip over your posts as I don't find them worth engaging with, much as I tune out people publicly ranting on the street, which I have a suspicion is a common reaction to your normal clouds of humblebrags, pseudo-profundity, insults, and trolling (yawn) wrapped up in strange formatting, but periodically you either mention me or make a claim I can rebut, so here we are. Just to be clear, my objections are to the contents of your posts, I just happen to think the formatting makes them obscure enough that more people don't notice that they're actually quite aggressive and boastful.


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10 Sep 2022, 4:58 pm

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aghogday wrote:

Rowling Suggested That Autistic Folks aren't 'Responsible' Enough to Understand
What Gender Orientation They Are Because of Their Disability. And Yes A Deficiency

In Cognitive Empathy and the Inability to Put Oneself into the Shoes of Others is
Considered A Functional Deficit on the Autism Spectrum Up to Seeing Other Folks

as Just Objects to Manipulate in the Environment in More Severe Cases of Autism.


Do you have a citation for Rowling saying that?

aghogday wrote:
You Just 'Tried' to
Bully me in another Thread Saying Folks Don't

Converse With me Because i Am 'OFF' As You Put that in Italics.


I didn't "try to bully you", if you recall it was you who tried threatening me with the mods, I was just thinking aloud about why more people don't engage with the objectionable things you say, which I suspect is similar to the reasons people don't stop to converse with raving homeless people, as it seems like it would be unpleasant and a waste of time. I'll admit, most of the time I just skip over your posts as I don't find them worth engaging with, much as I tune out people publicly ranting on the street, which I have a suspicion is a common reaction to your normal clouds of humblebrags, pseudo-profundity, insults, and trolling (yawn) wrapped up in strange formatting, but periodically you either mention me or make a claim I can rebut, so here we are. Just to be clear, my objections are to the contents of your posts, I just happen to think the formatting makes them obscure enough that more people don't notice that they're actually quite aggressive and boastful.


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I was just thinking aloud about why more people don't engage with the objectionable things you say, which I suspect is similar to the reasons people don't stop to converse with raving homeless people


NO ONE IS OBJECTING TO THE SUBSTANCE OF ANYTHING I'VE SAID HERE.

Dude THAT is Bullying OUTLOUD IN THE BOLD ABOVE.

i TOLD YOU TO STOP IT AND YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT.

YEP, I'M JUST ABOUT READY TO REPORT YOU.

CUT. IT. OUT.

YOU SEEM TOTALLY COLD WITH NO CLUE.

That's the Only Reason i am Not Reporting You Right NOW.

https://the-art-of-autism.com/an-autistics-response-to-j-k-rowlings-transphobic-tweets/


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10 Sep 2022, 5:35 pm

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NO ONE IS OBJECTING TO THE SUBSTANCE OF ANYTHING I'VE SAID HERE.

Dude THAT is Bullying OUTLOUD IN THE BOLD ABOVE.

i TOLD YOU TO STOP IT AND YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT.

YEP, I'M JUST ABOUT READY TO REPORT YOU.

CUT. IT. OUT.

YOU SEEM TOTALLY COLD WITH NO CLUE.

That's the Only Reason i am Not Reporting You Right NOW.

https://the-art-of-autism.com/an-autistics-response-to-j-k-rowlings-transphobic-tweets/


Report away bro, everyone already does it, and I'm allowed to comment on the contents of your posts, even if you don't like the conclusions I draw. You could also of course stop the boasting and the taunting, which I can provide many examples of if you insist, it's quite off putting.


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10 Sep 2022, 7:20 pm

There is No Rule Here Against
Relating Special Interests
Or Telling Someone to
Stop With Personal
Attacks. You Do Not
Get To Relate my Communication
To a Raving Homeless Person
Or Continuing to Insult the

Intelligence
Of The Other
Members Here.

Did The Best i
Could to Resolve
The Issue Without
Moderator Intervention.


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10 Sep 2022, 7:44 pm

@aghigday, while I dislike seeing any two members tangle, and understand if persistence from another poster feels aggressive, you should know that the reason I pretty much never quote or debate you is because I rarely read your posts. The formatting alienates me; it requires extra effort to read. I am probably not the only one. I dislike that I find it necessary to do so, but it is what it is. Point being, lack of comment is not necessarily endorsement of content or approach.


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10 Sep 2022, 7:56 pm

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@aghigday, while I dislike seeing any two members tangle, and understand if persistence from another poster feels aggressive, you should know that the reason I pretty much never quote or debate you is because I rarely read your posts. The formatting alienates me; it requires extra effort to read. I am probably not the only one. I dislike that I find it necessary to do so, but it is what it is. Point being, lack of comment is not necessarily endorsement of content or approach.


On the Other Hand
Other Folks Have
Called My Posts
Brilliant. Can’t Please
Everyone And i Don’t Expect to.

What i Will NOT Tolerate
Is Personal Attacks.


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10 Sep 2022, 8:45 pm

aghogday wrote:
You Do Not
Get To Relate my Communication
To a Raving Homeless Person
Or Continuing to Insult the

Intelligence
Of The Other
Members Here.


Actually, I do. You should read the rules a bit more carefully.


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10 Sep 2022, 8:53 pm

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So perfect, doesn't even need labels.


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10 Sep 2022, 9:03 pm

Dox47 wrote:
aghogday wrote:
You Do Not
Get To Relate my Communication
To a Raving Homeless Person
Or Continuing to Insult the

Intelligence
Of The Other
Members Here.


Actually, I do. You should read the rules a bit more carefully.



You Think; That’s Not What
Magz Related When She Recently
Cleaned Up A Post Where
Insults To Other Member’s
Intelligence Were Related other
Than that The Moderators
Will Clarify it i Guess Yes
Since This is a Support Site
For Folks on The Autism
Spectrum who Have Been
Bullied Like That All Their
Life. You are The only Member
Here i Know of Who
Insists they Have The
Right to Insult Intelligence
And The Mental Health of
Other Members…

If That’s Allowed Here
i may Move to More
Civil Environments…


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10 Sep 2022, 9:22 pm

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DW_a_mom wrote:
. But if someone tells me why X is hurtful, I'll take the lesson in and try to get more educated on the concept.


Here's the thing that I think a lot of people miss; it's perfectly okay to investigate, come to understand the other person's perspective, and decide that they're completely wrong, no one has a monopoly on truth or morality here. I think a lot of people are so terrified of being labeled as a bigot that they just immediately surrender when someone makes one of these accusations, that's part of what I've found interesting with the Rowling situation is that she's actually pushed back and has the resources to do so, and I suspect that is her real sin in the eyes of the "activists" and clout chasers slandering her online.


I'm going to confess that this whole topic makes my head hurt. But I think that JK Rowling's approach after initial questions were raised does leave a lot to be desired. There is more here than push-back against push-back.

This article breaks down a lot of it: https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complet ... ontroversy

I'm going to summarize very poorly that a lot of the thing rests on the use of terminology. And the fact that for a writer she has not been expressing some of her concerns very tactfully. But back to the terminology, she seems worried about shared experiences and women's rights, with the terminology scuffle possibly mucking it all up. She also has raised questions about how and when youth convert.

I don't find either of these concerns entirely invalid, but there are some points I think her discussions are skipping over.

IMHO, no one has the right to tell someone else who they are. So if a person sincerely and consistently tells me they are a woman, it would be harmful of me to post a position that denies the possibility. Trying to address this position in society with language has been a messy business, and I do not personally believe that most people messing it up are out to deny someone else their lived experience. But some people are actually trying to deny someone else their lived experience, and that I have no patience for. But how are we supposed to tell the difference? As far as I can tell, and I could be wrong, JK Rowling is hung up on the language and what changing it would mean for other battles women in society fight, but isn't trying to deny someone else their right to be who they are. The problem is that the words currently are the only way people have to express who they are, which creates a conundrum.

I"m not, personally, worried that allowing transgender women to use all the female terms will harm the other issues women fight for. In many ways, the trans community has been able to assertively validate some of the lived experiences of women worldwide that society has often tried to tell us are solely in our heads. By having experienced life presenting outwardly as both male and female, but otherwise being exactly the same person, they know society treats men and women differently even when everything else is equal. They know how the way they got treated changed when their visual presentation changed.

But the language is tough. Trying to write some of the sentences of the paragraph, above, without risking offense, is definitely challenging. Did I use the words right? I'm not at all sure.

The other controversy, about youth transitions, really should never have been addressed in a tweet. As a parent, my feelings on how and when a youth should transition are complex, and absolutely no part of me thinks I have a right to any opinion at all without knowing each specific individual, family and community involved. Fact of the matter is that kids can know from a very young age that they are in the wrong body. But another fact of the matter is that children naturally try on various identities as they grow up, and can hold onto them very strongly and for lengthy periods. Knowing which is which is no small feat, and calling it wrong either way risks a lot of harm to the child. Parents call things wrong for their kids all the time, choosing one side or the other based more on their own needs, beliefs and perceptions, than what they are actually hearing from their child. With transgender youth, that problem seems to currently run in both directions. Asking parents ready to jump on the bandwagon with therapies to take a breath isn't a bad thing, same as pushing a parent refusing to accept their child might be transgender to see the harm their position is causing is not a bad thing. Right now the conversation is a little one-sided and overly confrontational, which squashes out the level of nuance and sensitivity that I believe is most likely needed.


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10 Sep 2022, 9:32 pm

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So perfect, doesn't even need labels.


That’s Not True i was Born
With Fused Vertebrae; i Don’t
Even Do Squats Therefore the
1520 Pound Leg Presses With
One Life To Live You Excel
Where You Can And
Will i Consider ‘God’
Less Than A Grain
Of Sand So That’s
Not A Big Deal to me.

People Here Have
Expressed Fear of
Growing Older Than
30; i Lay That Fear

To Rest at 62 other
Than That Have A
Nice Night Now


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Will Currently
Having A Blast
Public Dancing
It’s A Wonderful Life…


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10 Sep 2022, 9:55 pm

Aaand like clockwork:

viewtopic.php?t=406797&start=176#p9131288

See, just like I said, no need to bother reporting anything, my entourage will take care of it for you. Don't worry, it happens all the time, I'm pretty used to it at this point.


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