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03 Sep 2023, 9:21 pm
TwilightPrincess wrote:
More people aren't Christian than are, though.
03 Sep 2023, 9:25 pm
Yaah.. for JuJu.....uhm..guess gettin beat up by Catholicism. and seeing hypocracy,,turned me into a variety of observations of various religions ..but kinda stick with the Christian ideals.. And even those days when I haven't got even a prayer in " the situation " I still Pray.... ( but gotta say not always like the results, until later on when I get some unusual result , in the form of some greater understanding . I like to think. 
Kinda like the new to me ,internet of things programming,IOT ," If this, then that" can be the output results if I do a deep dive into the way things seem to go. And If I ever go to see that great MasterSystems Programmer in the Skye ...gonna sure be curious about the source coding for this earthly program??.... 
btw TP precious sound effects.. 
03 Sep 2023, 9:30 pm
03 Sep 2023, 9:33 pm
blitzkrieg wrote:
Christians are leading in the poll!
*cue triumphant music*
*cue triumphant music*
Wait.. wait...hmmm... bring out the "Lions" ..gotta even the score up
Uhmm.. oopps sorry wrong time and place ...was daydreaming about Roman times(
)"just kidding. "
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03 Sep 2023, 9:44 pm
Handa Rei wrote:
The results are interesting. I wonder if they'd be much different if the thread title was "What is your religious belief?". For some reason I thought there'd be more atheist votes than any other.
I'm inclined to think you're onto something there. The title does seem to be more inviting to Christianity than other beliefs. There might be more people who are not Christians that aren't checking this thread out because of it. I almost didn't venture in for that reason...I'm not a Christian so I didn't figure I'd have anything to offer here. But, I am feeling nosey tonight so here I am
I answered in the poll that I'm an athiest, though now I wonder if I should have put other. I think I might be closer to agnostic than athiest, but regardless, I don't believe there is some god above us, watching, judging, helping, or whatever. I'm not religious, but I do enjoy the Tao Teh Ching, and now and then I like to read up on different religions. They can be interesting.
03 Sep 2023, 9:50 pm
04 Sep 2023, 10:19 am
Jakki wrote:
Yaah.. for JuJu.....uhm..guess gettin beat up by Catholicism. and seeing hypocracy,,turned me into a variety of observations of various religions ..but kinda stick with the Christian ideals.. And even those days when I haven't got even a prayer in " the situation " I still Pray.... ( but gotta say not always like the results, until later on when I get some unusual result , in the form of some greater understanding . I like to think.
Kinda like the new to me ,internet of things programming,IOT ," If this, then that" can be the output results if I do a deep dive into the way things seem to go. And If I ever go to see that great MasterSystems Programmer in the Skye ...gonna sure be curious about the source coding for this earthly program??....
btw TP precious sound effects..
Kinda like the new to me ,internet of things programming,IOT ," If this, then that" can be the output results if I do a deep dive into the way things seem to go. And If I ever go to see that great MasterSystems Programmer in the Skye ...gonna sure be curious about the source coding for this earthly program??....
btw TP precious sound effects..
04 Sep 2023, 10:20 am
04 Sep 2023, 10:37 am
TwilightPrincess wrote:
The BoM says that people shouldn’t have multiple wives or concubines BUT:
https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/ ... zed,2%3A32–33).
An impossible-to-prove deity apparently gave him an impossible-to-prove command - how convenient.
Their stance on polygamy is why they were viewed poorly by other Christian denominations in the 19th century.
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Jacob went on to qualify that law, saying that plural marriage is justifiable but only when God commands it. “Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes. For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things” (Jacob 2:29–30). As Latter-day Saint researcher Brian Hales commented, “The Nephite prophet Jacob reiterates a commandment given to his father Lehi establishing monogamy as the rule and polygamy as only a divinely commanded exception.”
https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/ ... zed,2%3A32–33).
An impossible-to-prove deity apparently gave him an impossible-to-prove command - how convenient.
Their stance on polygamy is why they were viewed poorly by other Christian denominations in the 19th century.
One way or the other, it's my understanding that Mormonism deviates more from traditional Christianity than any other mainstream sect. By "mainstream" I mean sects that aren't generally perceived as "weird" e.g. being a Mormon isn't generally seen as a dealbreaker to US voters when electing a President, after all Mitt Romney was a serious contender in the 2016 election.
So my understanding is that Mormons worship Christ but have their own unique interpretation of Christian dogma. For example, they see the Crucifixion as some sort of martyrdom but don't hold to the belief that Jesus redeemed the sins of his believers by being crucified (TBH I don't entirely understand the Christian doctrine but am fairly certain that Mormons deviate from that). If you pay attention, you'll notice that Mormons never wear crosses nor is the cross ever incorporated into the architecture of a Mormon church, because it's not central to their doctrine. I also believe they don't accept the Trinity. Also they use water for communion, granted they don't use alcohol but other churches use grape juice and will tell you that the "wine" consumed during the Last Supper was actually grape juice, but I don't see how water can be construed as related to what most Christians think of as communion.
04 Sep 2023, 10:40 am
I know a lot about Mormonism. ExJWs and exMormons refer to each other as “cult cousins.”
They aren’t as extreme as JWs, but they have some things in common, including this stuff:
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If you pay attention, you'll notice that Mormons never wear crosses nor is the cross ever incorporated into the architecture of a Mormon church, because it's not central to their doctrine. I also believe they don't accept the Trinity.
They both annoy people proselytize. Both groups have struggled with child abuse coverups. Both groups believe they are or have been persecuted. Mormons are way less extreme about shunning, but it still happens. Mormons tend to be better educated and make more money because they aren’t against higher education.
Mormons have to wear ugly undergarments that they buy through their church. JWs do not.
04 Sep 2023, 10:58 am
TwilightPrincess wrote:
I know a lot about Mormonism. ExJWs and exMormons refer to each other as “cult cousins.”
They aren’t as extreme as JWs, but they have some things in common, including this stuff:
They both annoy people proselytize. Both groups have struggled with child abuse coverups. Both groups believe they are or have been persecuted. Mormons are way less extreme about shunning, but it still happens. Mormons tend to be better educated and make more money because they aren’t against higher education.
Mormons have to wear ugly undergarments that they buy through their church. JWs do not.
They aren’t as extreme as JWs, but they have some things in common, including this stuff:
Quote:
If you pay attention, you'll notice that Mormons never wear crosses nor is the cross ever incorporated into the architecture of a Mormon church, because it's not central to their doctrine. I also believe they don't accept the Trinity.
They both annoy people proselytize. Both groups have struggled with child abuse coverups. Both groups believe they are or have been persecuted. Mormons are way less extreme about shunning, but it still happens. Mormons tend to be better educated and make more money because they aren’t against higher education.
Mormons have to wear ugly undergarments that they buy through their church. JWs do not.
Why the penis pouch pajamas
04 Sep 2023, 11:06 am
^ I have no idea.
More interesting info:
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The doctrine of "continuous revelation" is a central tenant of Mormonism. Mormons believe that Jesus, under the direction of God (or Heavenly Father), leads the church by revealing his will to the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who is considered a modern-day prophet and seer.
That sounds pretty damn culty in my opinion.
More culty weirdness:
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Despite its growing global reach, Mormonism is, at its core, a wholly American religion.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ visited the American continent shortly after his resurrection to teach early indigenous peoples who were actually members of some of the Lost Tribes of Israel. After all the other Christian churches fell into apostasy, God sent the Angel Moroni to reveal new scripture to Joseph Smith, a simple man living in Palmrya, NY.
One of the revelations that God gave Joseph Smith was that Jesus will personally return to reign over a paradisaical Kingdom on earth. His headquarters will be at the Mormon temple in Jackson County, Missouri.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ visited the American continent shortly after his resurrection to teach early indigenous peoples who were actually members of some of the Lost Tribes of Israel. After all the other Christian churches fell into apostasy, God sent the Angel Moroni to reveal new scripture to Joseph Smith, a simple man living in Palmrya, NY.
One of the revelations that God gave Joseph Smith was that Jesus will personally return to reign over a paradisaical Kingdom on earth. His headquarters will be at the Mormon temple in Jackson County, Missouri.
https://www.businessinsider.com/11-surp ... 2011-6?amp
Their beliefs deviate more from mainstream Christianity than JWs, but I think their stance on education makes them appear more normal.
04 Sep 2023, 11:14 am
I kind of like the women's top if it could be more form fitting and worn as an eyelet corset.
It could almost pass for steampunk.
04 Sep 2023, 11:14 am
TwilightPrincess wrote:
^ I have no idea.
More interesting info:
That sounds pretty damn culty in my opinion.
More culty weirdness:
https://www.businessinsider.com/11-surp ... 2011-6?amp
Their beliefs deviate more from mainstream Christianity than JWs, but I think their stance on education makes them appear more normal.
More interesting info:
Quote:
The doctrine of "continuous revelation" is a central tenant of Mormonism. Mormons believe that Jesus, under the direction of God (or Heavenly Father), leads the church by revealing his will to the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who is considered a modern-day prophet and seer.
That sounds pretty damn culty in my opinion.
More culty weirdness:
Quote:
Despite its growing global reach, Mormonism is, at its core, a wholly American religion.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ visited the American continent shortly after his resurrection to teach early indigenous peoples who were actually members of some of the Lost Tribes of Israel. After all the other Christian churches fell into apostasy, God sent the Angel Moroni to reveal new scripture to Joseph Smith, a simple man living in Palmrya, NY.
One of the revelations that God gave Joseph Smith was that Jesus will personally return to reign over a paradisaical Kingdom on earth. His headquarters will be at the Mormon temple in Jackson County, Missouri.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ visited the American continent shortly after his resurrection to teach early indigenous peoples who were actually members of some of the Lost Tribes of Israel. After all the other Christian churches fell into apostasy, God sent the Angel Moroni to reveal new scripture to Joseph Smith, a simple man living in Palmrya, NY.
One of the revelations that God gave Joseph Smith was that Jesus will personally return to reign over a paradisaical Kingdom on earth. His headquarters will be at the Mormon temple in Jackson County, Missouri.
https://www.businessinsider.com/11-surp ... 2011-6?amp
Their beliefs deviate more from mainstream Christianity than JWs, but I think their stance on education makes them appear more normal.
Oh yikes.
I'm never quite clear on where the line is between "a couple vaguely cult-like traits" and "yeah this is a cult". But sounds to be over the line. Any kind of super controlling organization that tells you what pajamas to wear sounds sus to me.
A lot of people say IFB (my childhood church) is a cult, but they don't really have an organization they answer to. So I feel like people's experiences with IFB churches are going to vary aside from them being defined as having certain beliefs, such as tending to be very legalistic and often King James Bibles being the only ones allowed or deemed the only correct ones.
I don't personally feel the particular IFB church I was in was a cult, just ignorant and stupid and racist af. (My sister told me she heard a white member utter the N word when a black person visited. Like they said "why did they allow an [N word] in here")
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04 Sep 2023, 11:16 am
Jakki wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
Christians are leading in the poll!
*cue triumphant music*
*cue triumphant music*
Wait.. wait...hmmm... bring out the "Lions" ..gotta even the score up
Uhmm.. oopps sorry wrong time and place ...was daydreaming about Roman times(
)"just kidding. "
Haha.
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