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26 Aug 2007, 4:20 pm

Bush doesn't know how to fight a war effectively, or even mediate with people. He's not a statesman, he's a fundamentalist religious leader. The US could have pulled most of its troops out already, after training all the Iraqi troops and police up to a fair level. Only a peacekeeping force would remain, and the crisis in Iraq would sort itself out. Bush didn't even need to send in 100,000 troops. Overall, the Gulf War could have been a heck of a lot cheaper, and the USA could move on to other countries, such as Zimbabwe, Sudan, and Somalia.
The main function of the US peacekeeping force in Iraq should be to maintain order in the major cities, and keep the infrastructure intact. They should also position more patrols and checkpoints to stop the Iranian revolutionary guard terrorists from supplying arms to Iraq, and provide discounts on weapons to the Iraqi armed forces. Iraq needs more patrol boats, and more trained troops with decent weapons and vehicles. There should also be a bigger effort to sort out the disputes between Sunni and Shia muslims. That infighting crap has to stop. Bloody barbarians.


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26 Aug 2007, 4:26 pm

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Iranian revolutionary guard terrorists




never use that term again.


the iranian revolutionary guard aren't terrorists. that's propaganda from bush's lie factory.


that'd be like saying the CIA are terrorists for performing operations that benefit us against other nations.

and really, with how we've been messing with iran for the past 60 or 70 years and how we're currently trying to start a war with them...i'm really not surprised at all that they would be trying to weaken our forces and secure that we can't go into iran at full strength.



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26 Aug 2007, 5:00 pm

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Iranian revolutionary guard terrorists




never use that term again.


the iranian revolutionary guard aren't terrorists. that's propaganda from bush's lie factory.


that'd be like saying the CIA are terrorists for performing operations that benefit us against other nations.

and really, with how we've been messing with iran for the past 60 or 70 years and how we're currently trying to start a war with them...i'm really not surprised at all that they would be trying to weaken our forces and secure that we can't go into iran at full strength.


They are terrorists, they supply weapons to the Iraqis, and fight on an extremist religious agenda. And I don't buy Bush's lies.
Perhaps the relationship between these groups is antagonistic to all sides, a vicious circle. It has to stop.


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26 Aug 2007, 5:27 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
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Iranian revolutionary guard terrorists




never use that term again.


the iranian revolutionary guard aren't terrorists. that's propaganda from bush's lie factory.


that'd be like saying the CIA are terrorists for performing operations that benefit us against other nations.

and really, with how we've been messing with iran for the past 60 or 70 years and how we're currently trying to start a war with them...i'm really not surprised at all that they would be trying to weaken our forces and secure that we can't go into iran at full strength.


They are terrorists, they supply weapons to the Iraqis, and fight on an extremist religious agenda. And I don't buy Bush's lies.
Perhaps the relationship between these groups is antagonistic to all sides, a vicious circle. It has to stop.


so then the cia are terrorists too.



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26 Aug 2007, 5:34 pm

We know the ultimate way to stop it is for the US and everyone else to pull out entirely and let the buggers sort it out for themselves. Who cares if civil war breaks out in Iraq, or the Iranians go in after them? Let them take out each other; no americans or Aussies or Brits will be sacrificing themselves, and all those idiots over there will be doing is thinning the herds. As I said, the best defense in not to attack, so let them wipe each other out. As Gene Simmons said (more about Israel, but it applies to the whole area), it's the armpit of the earth.


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26 Aug 2007, 5:39 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Anubis wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Iranian revolutionary guard terrorists




never use that term again.


the iranian revolutionary guard aren't terrorists. that's propaganda from bush's lie factory.


that'd be like saying the CIA are terrorists for performing operations that benefit us against other nations.

and really, with how we've been messing with iran for the past 60 or 70 years and how we're currently trying to start a war with them...i'm really not surprised at all that they would be trying to weaken our forces and secure that we can't go into iran at full strength.


They are terrorists, they supply weapons to the Iraqis, and fight on an extremist religious agenda. And I don't buy Bush's lies.
Perhaps the relationship between these groups is antagonistic to all sides, a vicious circle. It has to stop.


so then the cia are terrorists too.


The CIA is an intelligence agency. It doesn't plot terrorist attacks against the west. Yes, maybe it funded the Taliban, but it did it because of the Soviet Union.


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26 Aug 2007, 5:46 pm

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Yes, maybe it funded the Taliban, but it did it because of the Soviet Union.



it's the same thing as the revolutionary guard is now doing with insurgents in iraq.


CIA are a bunch of terrorists.


and unlike the revolutionary guard, the CIA has also made assassination attempts in the past. in direct conflict with national law and common sense of avoiding creating a power vaccuum.



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26 Aug 2007, 5:58 pm

hey, the CIA had my file for quite a while and I finally got it under the Freedom of Information act. The idiots actually waited down the block when I was hitch hiking a ride through a rural Oregon highway system. The notes clock how long it took me to hitch a ride. . three hours! Three HOURS??
Why didn't they just give me the damn ride and find out where I WAS going??

your tax dollars at work!

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26 Aug 2007, 6:26 pm

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You might as well call the US Military a terrorist organization too for overthrowing multiple sovereign nations' governments (most recently Iraq).



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26 Aug 2007, 6:35 pm

I could quote my theory on the CIA's involvement in the Kennedy assassination, but it's on another thread, in News and Current Events -> Has Bush Lost His Brain. Dunno if I can post it here, but basically the theory is that Oswald was a patsy set up by the CIA to shoot Kennedy. Only problem was, he was too unreliable a marksman, and the rifle he had was an old Italian Markotti, which was a sh*t sniper's weapon. So they had Badgeman on the knoll ready to take him out with a rifle and a few dum-dum bullets. The film shows Kennedy's head rock back, meaning the shot came from the front left, not the rear right as it would with Oswald, and being a dum-dum bullet, it left no trace as to what make or callibre it was. The Warren Commission report was bullsh*t, and any Coroner's finding would have ruled out the magic bullet from day one. Kennedy was seen as a liability because of Cuba, and Oswald was taken out because he knew too much and the fact he screwed up. Ruby went to his grave in 1967, without telling anyone what happened, so everyone's arse was covered. That's my theory. The CIA could have taken out both Saddam AND Bin Laden in an under-cover op, and no-one would have been the wiser, had they had the chance. But because the Yanks prefer to go to war balls & all, they were never given the order.


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26 Aug 2007, 7:15 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:
I could quote my theory on the CIA's involvement in the Kennedy assassination, but it's on another thread, in News and Current Events -> Has Bush Lost His Brain. Dunno if I can post it here, but basically the theory is that Oswald was a patsy set up by the CIA to shoot Kennedy. Only problem was, he was too unreliable a marksman, and the rifle he had was an old Italian Markotti, which was a sh*t sniper's weapon. So they had Badgeman on the knoll ready to take him out with a rifle and a few dum-dum bullets. The film shows Kennedy's head rock back, meaning the shot came from the front left, not the rear right as it would with Oswald, and being a dum-dum bullet, it left no trace as to what make or callibre it was. The Warren Commission report was bullsh*t, and any Coroner's finding would have ruled out the magic bullet from day one. Kennedy was seen as a liability because of Cuba, and Oswald was taken out because he knew too much and the fact he screwed up. Ruby went to his grave in 1967, without telling anyone what happened, so everyone's arse was covered. That's my theory. .



you for got Mrs Kennedy. cherchez la femme, (seek the woman) Who got Jacquline? it was the Greek Shipping Magnate. . .who had his finger in many pies.

by the way. . do you know what Caroline and John-John could do that no one else could? Kiss their Onassis. ..

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26 Aug 2007, 7:45 pm

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The film shows Kennedy's head rock back, meaning the shot came from the front left, not the rear right as it would with Oswald



you're wrong on this one...


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSzrfKIV_A[/youtube]



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26 Aug 2007, 7:58 pm

That film shows nothing. The actual Zapruder film shows Kennedy's head rock back, not forward, so Oswald could not have fired the fatal shot. Anyway, enough on that, the thing has been done to death, literally. The point is, the CIA could do anything they wanted, and nobody could stop them, and nobody would be the wiser.

Nice one sinsboldly (or Merle if you prefer)..... Notice how Jackie jumps onto the boot at the time of impact too.....


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27 Aug 2007, 3:55 am

Cyanide wrote:
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Iranian revolutionary guard terrorists


You might as well call the US Military a terrorist organization too for overthrowing multiple sovereign nations' governments (most recently Iraq).


They are an organised army, with US government command. They are an official army, not a rag tag militia. They do not carry out terrorist acts, they fight against them. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard supports terrorists/insurgents in Iraq, hostile to the interests of the western powers.


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27 Aug 2007, 5:04 am

Anubis wrote:
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Iranian revolutionary guard terrorists


You might as well call the US Military a terrorist organization too for overthrowing multiple sovereign nations' governments (most recently Iraq).


They are an organised army, with US government command. They are an official army, not a rag tag militia. They do not carry out terrorist acts, they fight against them. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard supports terrorists/insurgents in Iraq, hostile to the interests of the western powers.


I would say that the mechanisms of the US state (including its mil) is being used by those who control the country.



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27 Aug 2007, 8:54 am

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That film shows nothing. The actual Zapruder film shows Kennedy's head rock back, not forward, so Oswald could not have fired the fatal shot. Anyway, enough on that, the thing has been done to death, literally. The point is, the CIA could do anything they wanted, and nobody could stop them, and nobody would be the wiser.

Nice one sinsboldly (or Merle if you prefer)..... Notice how Jackie jumps onto the boot at the time of impact too.....


having been in an automobile accident alone, and realizing I could not get out the driver's door, I knew I must get out the passenger side door. In what can probably be attributed to an adrenaline high I forced open the driver's side door ( they could never get it closed again, by the way) I ran around to the passenger side and ripped open the door so I could get out, not realizing that I was already out. . .

so I have a lot of compassion for what people do in a fright, however I don't put much on WHAT they do as making sense.

Merle