Anti immigration and racism

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Dumb question. Think about it rationally.
Can you be concerned about who comes into your country? Absolutely.
Do they have a criminal record? Have they been involved in terrorism? These are legit concerns.
That doesn't make you against immigration per se, but you may get the anti immigrant label
because some people are very sensitive on this subject and don't think it through rationally.

Being concerned over immigration does not equate to racism in any way, shape or form.

Baguette?

I think I already made that point. But its how you frame the concern that matters.

You are considered right-wing or even far-right based on just going contrary to any established belief of the current zeitgeist with a few prominent celebrity examples like J.K. Rowling, Tulsi Gabbard, and even Bill Maher.

Their "cult" is just as big as MAGA.

There is documented to be around 10-30million illegal immigrants living in the US, most from Central and Latin America, not even Mexico, and a fraction of them part of organized crime or terrorism. Until Trump came back and ordered ICE operations and general deportation of illegals, the southern border was enforced only lightly and I believe Biden actually cut the budget of it even further. That's why people talk only about the southern border. It really is about border security, is it not?

Sure, you can argue that we have our own gangs and criminals but that is besides the point, because if we do have a lot of our own already and that's bad enough, why invite even more in from outside the border? It is counterproductive from the criminal justice standpoint. That has nothing to do with race or culture. There are also cultural and social issues with a fast rate of immigration, legal and illegal, but that is besides the point in this paragraph. The illegal ones at the current rate also crowd out the ones that came here legally.

You lost my interest when you said my question was dumb you f*****g nerk

I mean if they specifically support getting violent criminals out I can see that, but the trouble is this Trump administration is not just going after volent offenders they are going after moms and dads and children. Luckily in colorado for that first raid a lot of people knew to just keep quiet and not answer the door. So at least most families remained safe but not everyone outside the complex was so lucky. One interviewee says his friend was taken because when they were walking to work his friend didn't have documents on him when stopped(cause we all know everyone brings their ss security card and birth certificate to work)...? and so his friend was taken. Wether he had it at home or whatever they still arrested him on the spot for not having it on his person. So idk should we all start carrying all our passports, bank cards and ect under the threat of being deported if you cant produce your birth certificate on hand while you are drinking at a brewerey? or just walking to the bus to go to work in the morning. LIke trying to catch people when they happen to not have documentation on them is predatory. What about homeless people and such, like with these raid sweeps they are at risk of sending U.S citizens to countries they have never even been to ever.

What ICE did in colorado is f****d up, they had no reason to storm entire apartment buildings like that with families and babies and kids inside. I don't care what your opinon on immigration is, like in this country we practice people having rights and due process regardless of thier crime and quite frankly illegal immigation in my opinion is far less worse than rape and murder one of which president trump himself is guilty of. so I am supposed to trust he is only sending the 'bad' immigrants away, BS! That said at least treat immigrants with human dignity even if were deporting them we should not be sending them away chained up they should still receive more humane conditions. Especially when the respective countries say it's not even 'criminals' they are sending back just desperate people who had been maybe seeking asylum. Also, idk maybe we would not have so many south american illegal immigrants if the U.S wasn't in the business of meddling around and destabilizing south American countries and making people there destitute to where they risk everything to maybe have a better life in the U.S.A.

That's not correct. Under Biden, Border Patrol encountered far more migrants than under Trump. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... y-in-2024/

In the US, budgets are proposed by the President but require Congressional approval. Biden proposing increasing funding for border security but was blocked repeatedly by Republicans: https://apnews.com/article/congress-ukr ... b727a284f8

That said, you're right that levels of immigration over the US-Mexico border are much higher than over the US-Canada border, and it therefore makes sense that people think differently about the two borders.

I was not fond of Bidens deportation policy either, but I don't recall federal agents coming to colorado to scare the ever living s**t out of families living in an apartment complex and loudly knocking on every door armed to the teeth and demanding people open up to show papers at 6 in the morning under the biden administration. So yeah I think under trump it is worse....like idk if you illegally live in germany they probably wont chain you up and detain you at Guantánamo bay they will probably just send you back to where you came from with no chains or mistreatment. So why does the U.S have to make a whole big show of mistreating illegal immigrant human beings?

What's next cute little shackles for immigrant babies and toddlers? to be chained up in.

Yeah it's disgraceful and actually horrific

IMHO, that would probably be a very, very specific situation where you've got a multicultural society, and they're opposed to any sort of immigration due to something like crowding where any immigration is objected to regardless of where they're from.

I'm sure there's other possibilities, but that's a pretty specific situation.

I'm not surprised. IIRC, Obama still holds the record for deporting the most people as a President. The GOP does have a history of refusing to help the Democrats do the things they want to do when it's politically expedient for them, even if it screws over the voters.

I'd agree. One can find hypotheticals where opposition to immigration could be isolated from racism, but the only issue is that those hypotheticals aren't relevant to the real world so it ends up just being a navel-gazey distraction.

Republicans: Cute little shackles for immigrant babies and toddlers.
Democrats: Cruelty-free cute little shackles for immigrant babies and toddlers, but it's a girl-boss ordering them to be deported so liberals will see that as an improvement and condemn anyone who's critical.

Pretty much, I think the only real world examples would probably be more about internal migration than cross borders. There's definitely cities, counties and states where there's a strong anti-immigrant view if you include internal migration, but it tends to fall apart when you talk about immigration that requires paperwork and government approval. Some cities can be intentionally as hostile as possible about any outsiders moving in for various reasons.

That reminds me of the scandal during Trump's first term in office about the cages. It turned out that the pictures were from the Obama administration, and that the actual cruelty came in the form of Trump's goons intentionally separating families. I'm not sure if all those kids have been reunited with their parents after they lost the necessary records to track which children belonged to which parents.