Anyone afraid of heaven?

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As I said before, God is just letting us get on with the life we chose for ourselves and our children, or would you expect God to be the slave of man where we do what ever we like, and insult God, but still expect him to come along afterwards and clean up our mess.

Having said that, God has demonstrated far more Love for us than all of us together ever offer him, he sacrificed his dearly beggoton son for us, with the life lost by Jesus and all the perfect Children Jesus could have had, but that die in his lions, he buys back the lives of all those suffering new born babies you mention.

But despite this, how many people are gratefull for this free gift, this call for mankind to move back to God and recieve his protection? as Revelation 21;3 describes when we do return "

“Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

But will you be there to enjoy it?, not if you are determined to find fault with God and blame him for our actions, better to find out about the issues then help others see and answer that part of the Lords Prayer that says, Let Gods name be found to be free of sin, Halloed be thy name,

This expression of gratitude of God buying us back with his sons blood after we deliberatly left him, will assure you of a place in the world when he is runing it.

I lost my son due to an accident that God could have stopped with one of his much praised miracles. If God could have saved my son he could have very easily saved his own. He didn't and civilization today really seems as brutal today as it was in the time of Christ. What in hell does he think he's doing?

He could have indeed saved his own, but he didnt, that was the price God was willing to pay to buy back the lives of those lost by mans greed and folly.

Civilization is indeed brutal today, and belive me it is going to get far worst than you ever dare imagine before it gets better

Matthew 24
21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

Maybe for certain reasons, Gods power is restricted on Earth whilst its under the Devils dominion, read this scripture form Daniel where the Angel Gabriel relates it took him 21 days to reach Daniel because he was being stopped by the Satanic Entitiy that rules Persia and it required help from the Arch Angel Michael to get through.

“Do not be afraid, O Daniel, for from the first day that you gave your heart to understanding and humbling yourself before your God your words have been heard, and I myself have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Mi´cha·el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I, for my part, remained there beside the kings of Persia. 14 And I have come to cause you to discern what will befall your people in the final part of the days, because it is a vision yet for the days [to come].”

And read of the final battle between Michael and Satan in order for Gods Kingdom to come and his will to be done on the Earth

7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi´cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”

As for your son for which I can see why you would be angry with God, if God made Mankind then the Boy is one of Gods sons as well and God will be just as sad as you at his loss.

God however has the power and knowledge to recreate, Jesus demonstrated this as one of the blessings of Gods Kingdom when it arrives, the Ressurrection.

The Ressurrection might have seemed an impossiblity not so long agao, but with mans knowledge of DNA he claims he may soon recreate for instance the Dinosaurs, and the Book of Job tells us God has all remembered in his book of writing.

Thought patterns and memories too, what are they, the arrangement of electrons and chemicals, much like a computer programme maybe?

As for when?, its only 75 years for most of us, but events unfurling in the world indicate it could be within our lifetimes, it will be when things are so bad that there is no further reason to delay it longer, when all those who will listen have listened.

Terribly sorry, but it sounds, to put it as plainly as possible, as pure BS. No offense intended.

I don't really like the idea of absolute morals, because in truth, they aren't; relative morals may be unsatisfactory to some people, but by no means, possible. Because everyone has different morals and are probably unwilling to lend themselves into other people's morals, there is no such thing as an absolute moral in reality. There may be similar morals in which a lot of people agree with, but they don't have the same origins or exist for the same purposes. All I can do is concede that morality is not an absolute and that people believe different things, and that is not something I can change.

There is no proof that they aren't. Your evidence is merely that we do not know what morality is correct or if one exists, and that is something that I would gladly accept as true. I would really argue that morality properly refers to the outside world and to good and evil and universal rules(even if these rules are dynamic), if there is no truth to the good or evil of something or of any universal rule, then why posit morality? We can just describe human action as preference.

The problem with your argument is that you would have to define precisely what "good" and "evil" are, as we define those as humans ourselves. So there again, you cannot have absolute morality because you would be ascribing an "absolute moral" that only pertains to your version of good and evil, but not everyone else's, necessarily. I'm not sure I understand the question you're asking at the end of your argument. If the universal rules don't exist (and I'm fairly sure they don't because not everyone follows one) then I can't see what's wrong with having relative morality. It exists, but people deny it for absolute ones that don't exist in reality.

No, I don't. I merely have to say that it refers to absolute moral traits about the universe, which makes sense because people say "X is evil", "y is good" as if there was an absolute truth value to those statements. No, you can have absolute morality though, you merely are confused about the framework I am operating in. I stated that morality relates to universal absolutes, I didn't say anything about what moral framework was correct. Your statement ISN'T proof though, it is a statement that you reject the notion of a moral natural law and therefore absolute morality doesn't exist. My position is that morality can theoretically exist as an abstract outside of human action, but an unknown entity as well. I deny that relative morality is a cognitively useful conception, I see it as oxymoronic. Morality as an absolute existed before morality as a relativistic force in our thought and language, good and evil are stated as things carrying truth value. The fusion of relativism with a concept that is by nature absolute makes no sense to me and thus we should either accept the concept of a theoretical absolute or negate it. I don't see the logical premises of your ideas, I merely pull things from what I perceive of the proper definition of the word and related words and follow through with it.

Actually, Christianity doesn't talk at all about hell or heaven in specific detail and the idea that it's reliving your life is a fallacy. Heaven is the new Jerusalem where everyone is happy. Hell is living in constant sin.[/quote]


so lots of sex, drugs and rock and roll

Heaven today, hell tomorrow <- sometimes.

Hell isn't living in sin. Hell is living in constant, perpetual torment and eternal separation from God.

Eternal? I like better the idea of heaven being eternal, not hell.

I am not afraid of Heaven, but I am afraid of Hell!

I feel totally separated from God right now and it doesn't bother me a bit.

Ok so you want to get to heaven and your terrified of Hell, is that really an excuse to want to be a "good" person? Or is it because you really are a good person? I dont know you, so maybe you can answer that question.

I am agnostic!