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Is beating wives wrong?
I'm a conservative, and yes. 32%  32%  [ 15 ]
I'm a conservative, and no. 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
I'm a liberal, and yes. 49%  49%  [ 23 ]
I'm a liberal, and no. 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
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04 Nov 2007, 7:53 pm

Where is the modern Christian writing condoning wife beating?

Well I am sure if we looked around then we would find a preacher from the 'men must lead the household' camp who sees it as a solution, it seems to come with patriarchal thinking. Just because someone found an Islamic loon who says these things and presented it to us does not mean that comparable Christian teachings can not be found, personally I have better things to do with my time than to go looking for one.

All the Muslim men I have met or know find the idea of beating their wife or children distasteful to say the least.

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04 Nov 2007, 7:54 pm

Where is the passage in the koran that says it's ok to beat your wife? Or is this just another instance of a society misinterpreting religious passage to do evil, which is something Christianity has made a past time of?
The only reason Christian fanatics aren't blowing s**t up as often as fanatic muslims is because Christian fanatics live in a 1st world nation with checks and balances that remain in the international eye of judgement, whereas in 3rd world muslim countries things are already so chaotic that people kill each other on television. It's not a cultural thing so much as it is an economic thing. They can get by with more because of their economic environment, if Christians had that ability they'd be using it too.



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04 Nov 2007, 7:56 pm

Once again, I'm not saying this is right, people of any faith misuse that faith though, it is not specific to Christian or Muslim or Jewish or Atheist or Buddhist or Hindu.



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04 Nov 2007, 8:18 pm

i'd like someone to answer my questions

Here are a few of the contradictions:

Should we kill?
Ex. 20:13 Thou shalt not commit murder.
Ex. 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, put every man his sword by his side...and slay every man his brother...companion..neighbor.(See also 1 Sam. 6:19; 15:2,3; Num. 15:36)

Should we tell lies?
Ex. 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness.(Prov. 12:22; Rev. 21:8 )
1 Kings 22:23 The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (II Thess. 2:11; Josh. 2:4-6 with James 2:25)

Should we steal?
Ex. 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. (Lev. 19:13)
Ex. 3:22. And ye shall spoil the Egyptians. (Ex. 12:35-36; Luke 19:29-33)

Shall we keep the Sabbath?
Ex. 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. (Ex. 31:15; Num. 15:32,36)
Is. 1:13 The new moons and the Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity. (John 5:16; Matt. 12:1-5)


Shall we make Graven images?
Ex. 20:4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven...earth...water. (Lev. 26:1)
EX. 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them.

Are we "saved" through works?
Eph. 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith...not of works. (Rom. 3:20, 28; Gal. 2:16)
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(Matt. 19:16-21)


Should good works be seen?
Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. (I Peter 2:12)
Matt. 6:1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them...that thine alms may be in secret. (Matt. 23:5)


Should we own slaves?
Lev. 25:45-46 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy...and they shall be your posession...they shall be your bondmen forever. (Gen. 9:25; Ex. 21:2,7; Joel 3:8; Luke 12:47; Col. 3:22)
Is. 58:6 Undo the heavy burdens...break every yoke. (Matt. 23:10)


Does God change his mind?
Mal. 3:6. For I am the Lord; I change not. Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Ezek. 24:14; James 1:17)
Ex. 32:14. And the Lord repented of the evil which he had thought to do unto his people. (Gen. 6:6; Jonah 3:10; Sam. 2:30-31; II Kings 20:1-6; Num. 16:20-35)


Are we punished for our parent's sins?
Ex. 20:5 For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generations. (Ex. 34:7)
Ezek. 18:20 The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.

Is God good or evil?
Psa. 145:9. The Lord is good to all. (Deut. 32:4; James 1:13)
Is. 45:7 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Lam 3:38; Jer. 18:11; Ezek. 20:25)

Is God Peaceable?
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you. (Luke 2:14; Acts 10:36)
Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matt. 10:35-37; Luke 22:36)

Was Jesus trustworthy?
John 8:14 Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Shall we call people names?
Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
Matt. 23:17 (Jesus said) Ye fools and blind.

Has anyone seen God?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. (Ex 33:20; Tim. 6:16; John 6:46; I John 4:12)
Gen. 32:30 For I have seen god face to face. (Ex. 33:11, 23; Is. 6:1; Job 42:5)

How many gods are there?
Deut. 6:4 The Lord or God is one Lord.
Gen. 1:26 And God said, let us make man in our image.(Gen. 3:22; I John 5:7)

Are we all sinners?
Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned. (Rom. 3:10; Psa.14;3)
Job 1:1 There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. (Gen. 7:1; Luke 1:5-6)

When was Jesus crucified?
Mark 15:22 and it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
John 19:14-15 And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out...crucify him!"


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04 Nov 2007, 8:46 pm

it cant be answerd not because of god, but because of man.


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04 Nov 2007, 8:47 pm

man wrote the bible. therefore it doesnt make any sence


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04 Nov 2007, 9:12 pm

I personally don't think the bible or the koran make any since, but I'm not gonna act like one of them is any better than the other either though.



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04 Nov 2007, 9:14 pm

i think man was 'diaologing' with someone. possibly aliens when he wrote his holy books. that, or he was on drugs 8)


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04 Nov 2007, 9:45 pm

That is a possibility I have considered, though I don't know this for fact. But I can plainly see the similarities in the messages of world religions, names and symbols reappearing from one religion to the next, as all this --could-- be UFO cover-ups and all the "miracles" (even as far back as pagan mythologies) --could-- be highly advanced technology that is beyond our comprehension.



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04 Nov 2007, 9:50 pm

the native americans especially the hopis here in the southwest belived in aliens


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04 Nov 2007, 9:57 pm

heres the hopi propheacy

http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/prophecy/hopi1.html


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04 Nov 2007, 9:58 pm

RedHanrahan wrote:
Where is the modern Christian writing condoning wife beating?

Well I am sure if we looked around then we would find a preacher from the 'men must lead the household' camp who sees it as a solution, it seems to come with patriarchal thinking. Just because someone found an Islamic loon who says these things and presented it to us does not mean that comparable Christian teachings can not be found, personally I have better things to do with my time than to go looking for one.

All the Muslim men I have met or know find the idea of beating their wife or children distasteful to say the least.

peace j


go to Iran and ask one their view



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04 Nov 2007, 10:10 pm

ahayes wrote:
RedHanrahan wrote:
Where is the modern Christian writing condoning wife beating?

Well I am sure if we looked around then we would find a preacher from the 'men must lead the household' camp who sees it as a solution, it seems to come with patriarchal thinking. Just because someone found an Islamic loon who says these things and presented it to us does not mean that comparable Christian teachings can not be found, personally I have better things to do with my time than to go looking for one.

All the Muslim men I have met or know find the idea of beating their wife or children distasteful to say the least.

peace j


go to Iran and ask one their view


It is not a matter of their religion being worse than Christianity, like I said there are people of any religion who use their faith to justify evil. Christianity has a comprehensive history of this, which is still going today. Look how they've hijacked the republican party to force feed their religious beliefs to secular society by passing laws based on their personal beliefs.



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04 Nov 2007, 10:32 pm

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Raggy this is typical 1 dimensional Christian fanatic bull sh**. Islam does not preach any more hate or beating your wife than Christianity does, I personally don't believe in either religion but it's stupid and ignorant of you to act like Islam is the center of all evil just because they believe something different than you do.
There are Christian suicide bombers too, are we to assume that all white Christians are suicide bombers because of Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh? There are people, both Christian and Muslim, and even atheist, who take their views too far. Raggy, your one of them. If a 3rd party jumped in tommorrow and stopped Christianity from being force fed to secular society through politics, people like you would most likely start blowing up buildings in the name of "jesus".
Who'se next after you've all destroyed the middle east? Asia? Theyr "evil" too because their budhist.


Where is the modern Christian article that advocates wifebeating eh?


Or Christian suicide bombing? :lol:
Sorry, but victory-through-lying is a common Muslim sermon, and lying is prescribed by the Qur'an! Pretending friendship in order to conquer. Lying is morally acceptable in the Qur'an, and promoted and recommended by the Qur'an.

Not true of the Bible.



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04 Nov 2007, 10:49 pm

jesus answerd questions right? so why dont you?


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04 Nov 2007, 10:52 pm

raggy you are one ignorant piece of s**t, you know that? If the majority of the church supported child molestation, you would too.