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18 Apr 2008, 12:50 am

Obres wrote:

You might as well just change the poll options to "that's blasphemous" and "pissing off christians is fun" :roll:

I don't see anything wrong with being gay. What is the issue? People are born gay so let them be gay. No big deal, they are doing no harm to anyone.

So what is wrong with having a gay jesus?

I do see things wrong with religion forcing gay people to be straight and making them live a lie and also discrimating against them.

Also I take issue with religion stopping gay mariage, what has it got to do with them. You should live your own beliefs not force your beliefs onto other people.

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18 Apr 2008, 7:21 am

MR_BOGAN wrote:

Obres wrote:

You might as well just change the poll options to "that's blasphemous" and "pissing off christians is fun" :roll:

well said!

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18 Apr 2008, 11:03 am

MR_BOGAN wrote:

Obres wrote:

You might as well just change the poll options to "that's blasphemous" and "pissing off christians is fun" :roll:

Perhaps it is the old saying 'the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak'. Some 'straight' people might give in if someone said it was okay to be gay.

And I totally agree that those poor b*****ds in the closet are doing more harm than good to themselves and their spouses by pretending to be 'normal'.

Most religions are pretend anyway.

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18 Apr 2008, 10:26 pm

Alleluia Andy!

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19 Apr 2008, 1:06 am

Andyb wrote:

Most religions are pretend anyway.

all the ones i've come across so far.

though i do enjoy some of the philosophies of satanism and i respect that it's the only religion that out and out condemns ignorance and intellectual laziness.

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21 Apr 2008, 6:00 pm

Thanks Averick, thanks Ska'.

I was raised by insane Catholics and am still in recovery. :wink:

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21 Apr 2008, 6:03 pm

MR_BOGAN wrote:

Well the guy didn't have any children and he hung around with 12 guys all the time.

hmnn your assumption asexuality and leadership imply homosexuality, disturbs me.

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21 Apr 2008, 6:22 pm

MR_BOGAN wrote:

Yeah jesus is looking good.

He has killer abs! :lol:

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21 Apr 2008, 6:55 pm

Andyb wrote:

MR_BOGAN wrote:

Yeah jesus is looking good.

He has killer abs! :lol:

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21 Apr 2008, 7:33 pm

I've always adored the abs Jesus was given within the catholic church.

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22 Apr 2008, 5:42 am

Andyb wrote:

See, I don't speak for Christians and I never will as I'm not one, but asking if one of the major figures in their religion is gay is tantamount to blasphemy in my opinion. Whether or not you believe it matters or believe religion is a farce, I and I'm sure others will consider it insulting.

You cannot compare actions then to ones today. The social norms are not even the same, and even more so now. How can you believe that a person who lives with his spiritual leader to be participating in homosexual acts? That is sick.

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While the Poll is ofcourse a little provocative, I think the basic problem here is the views of some Christians on homosexuality. Those thoughts are also the reason why this is so controversial. Christians who say it does not matter to me should be proud of themselves, because they can go against some of their society and still see what is important. I have not read the whole bible, but from the parts I read I believe Jesus would be quite ashamed of some Christians now.

Any Christian with any logic would not have a problem with homosexuals. When the bible was written a very important thing in this issue was not known: homosexuality is inborn (this is no point of discussion, but a scientific fact)! Combining this with the ideas from the bible that god is good and omnipotent, the next ideas come:

That means basically that God makes people gay, because he is omnipotent. If gays 'happen' by accident that will mean God is not omnipotent. This is not consistent with the bible.
Ofcourse there is the thought that God gives free will to people and that people are responsible for their deeds still. In that case if God is omnipotent and makes people gay, but will not allow them to be themselves, he is just Cruel. Since God is good it would be very strange if for this one point he will be cruel. People are cruel in his name though. Being good I also think he would not like that.

Well, if He made them gay and people have free-will, then the free-will of the people will lead them to abstain from homosexual acts. I mean, that only took less than a minute to think that out.

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I find it ironic and laughable that an autistic recommends a person that believes in such an idea to be sent to a psych. ward.

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22 Apr 2008, 10:30 am

No, I think Odin has a point. Just think about this. I heard President Bush say, God told him to go to war in Iraq. So either God is evil, for telling Bush to start a pointless war and kill thousands of innocent people, or more likely, The man in charge of the worlds most powerful country is INSANE!

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22 Apr 2008, 11:58 am

benjimanbreeg wrote:

...or he's dyslexic and it was actually his Dog talking to him...

oscuria:

I would rather insult or blaspheme than punish or even kill another human being in the name of some 'god'.

If hate and exclusion are the basis of a belief system, those people are not praying to a benevolent deity... :evil:

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22 Apr 2008, 12:36 pm

oscuria wrote:

Hanwag wrote:

Any Christian with any logic would not have a problem with homosexuals. When the bible was written a very important thing in this issue was not known: homosexuality is inborn (this is no point of discussion, but a scientific fact)! Combining this with the ideas from the bible that god is good and omnipotent, the next ideas come:

That means basically that God makes people gay, because he is omnipotent. If gays 'happen' by accident that will mean God is not omnipotent. This is not consistent with the bible.
Ofcourse there is the thought that God gives free will to people and that people are responsible for their deeds still. In that case if God is omnipotent and makes people gay, but will not allow them to be themselves, he is just Cruel. Since God is good it would be very strange if for this one point he will be cruel. People are cruel in his name though. Being good I also think he would not like that.

Well, if He made them gay and people have free-will, then the free-will of the people will lead them to abstain from homosexual acts. I mean, that only took less than a minute to think that out.

Ofcourse I know that reasoning. I meant that one when I said that makes god cruel. Being gay but having to supress it (and even marry someone of the other sex instead) will make life pretty hard on these people and for some nearly impossible. So then god chooses to make these people suffer basically just for fun. This is not the god you'll find in a lot of other parts of the bible where he is said to be good. The conclusion for me is that it is just that part of the Christian people that are cruel.

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22 Apr 2008, 1:34 pm

Or maybe it's that people need their god's to be the model of what they aspire to because they themselves are too weak to live up to their own ideal?

...or have I just had too much coffee today? :shaking2:

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22 Apr 2008, 2:26 pm

Jesus wasn't gay.
But what would be the significance if he was, given that he died a virgin (which takes effort when you're that famous).
So who cares what inner human feelings he may or may not have had 2,000 years ago?
Talk about a pointless question...
If you're talking about him hanging around 12 guys,
are you saying that every guy who has male friends is gay? :roll:
I sit on my couch all the time, but I don't buy it flowers. :lol:
People CAN have non-sexual friendships, ya know...

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