Extreme Christians
I know more about Natural Selection than anyone I know, and I've read "the origin of species" more than a few times. My faith is based on scientific evidence and faith. I think that Christian morals are what I should live by, and I do. I don't try to force my ideals on anyone, but I really don't like it when people put down my system of beliefs. If you say that I'm ignorant for what I believe in, then you're probably mistaken, as my I.Q. is almost guaranteed to be forty points above yours. So I know I've probably successfully vilified myself in your eyes, but that's what I believe in, and I don't care if you all hate me now.
sorry if I've offended anyone.
have a pleasant day.
I don't see how anyone of intelligence can make claims about supernatural things that are unprovable. And I'm convinced that all humans are driven by their emotions, no matter how intelligent they are. You probably believe what you believe because you want to, not because you have stumbled upon some proof that has eluded generations of metaphysicians. (And you can't be too intelligent if you didn't notice that "My faith is based on scientific evidence and faith" is a circular argument.)
That's probably because you haven't studied the history of Christianity. The Western world didn't get christianized because people wanted to believe in absurd, unreal nonsense, but because Christian zealots burned pagan temples and libraries and killed anyone who opposed them. If you want to know what the world would look like if Al-Kaida were to win, just look at Europe in the Middle Ages. It's been done before.

Signed, Kalister.
We'd also be stoning people who work on the sabbath, murdering unfaithful wives, and killing our sons if the voice in our head tells us to.
Have you seen the history of Judaism? Those guys kicked butt! For such a loving god, he sure had some violent followers.

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I know more about Natural Selection than anyone I know, and I've read "the origin of species" more than a few times. My faith is based on scientific evidence and faith. I think that Christian morals are what I should live by, and I do. I don't try to force my ideals on anyone, but I really don't like it when people put down my system of beliefs. If you say that I'm ignorant for what I believe in, then you're probably mistaken, as my I.Q. is almost guaranteed to be forty points above yours. So I know I've probably successfully vilified myself in your eyes, but that's what I believe in, and I don't care if you all hate me now.
sorry if I've offended anyone.
have a pleasant day.
I don't see how anyone of intelligence can make claims about supernatural things that are unprovable. And I'm convinced that all humans are driven by their emotions, no matter how intelligent they are. You probably believe what you believe because you want to, not because you have stumbled upon some proof that has eluded generations of metaphysicians. (And you can't be too intelligent if you didn't notice that "My faith is based on scientific evidence and faith" is a circular argument.)
That's probably because you haven't studied the history of Christianity. The Western world didn't get christianized because people wanted to believe in absurd, unreal nonsense, but because Christian zealots burned pagan temples and libraries and killed anyone who opposed them. If you want to know what the world would look like if Al-Kaida were to win, just look at Europe in the Middle Ages. It's been done before.

Signed, Kalister.
We'd also be stoning people who work on the sabbath, murdering unfaithful wives, and killing our sons if the voice in our head tells us to.
Have you seen the history of Judaism? Those guys kicked butt! For such a loving god, he sure had some violent followers.

Okay then: The Shabbat is Saturday, men who commit adultery are also executed, and your reference to Isaac is purposefully incomplete.
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Religion is something that should be a private matter, obey the rules by yourself, that is the way it should be.
Just because some of the ten commandments are law doesn't mean religion is law (don't steal, muder, ect). Can you imagine religion being law? There would be no free will.
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I would consider myself a Christian, however I've made it a point to make my own interpretations of the Bible. As a result I am far more open minded then most others. I even go as far as viewing the entire old testament as a historical account of man's understanding of God and not something that you should pull rules from. That, among other things would give all the old ladies at my church a heart attack....
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True, and what some of them also do not get is that, when they do use it as a guide or set of rules, they need to remember that they have no business imposing their beliefs and choices on others.
Legislating conservative/fundamental interpretations of Christianity as the 'only way' is just plain offensive.
And I'm sick of it

All I have to say is to hell with all religions. Isn't it weird and childish to believe in something you have no proof of? I'll open up my mind to the possibility of there being some sort of god, but I will NOT devote my time to something I have no proof of. I've never met an intelligent Christian in my life and to prove that Christians lack intelligence, why is it that only 1000 out of the half a million or so scientists in the United States believe in a God? Why just a small-ass minority? It's because they are dumb, that's why.
BTW, I was brought up in a Christian family. I doubted the existence of God ever since I was a little boy. In my opinion, if you still believe in God or at least don't have any strong doubts in his existence by the time you are in your teenage years, you have proved to yourself that you are mentally ret*d. I think that at least half of all Christians are mentally ret*d for devoting their time to something they have no proof of. If they are not completely mentally ret*d they are at least borderline ret*d. After reading about monsters and such in the bible how the hell can you believe in in a God? Oops, I forgot, you are ret*d. Dumb people believe in dumb stuff.
Sorry, this is only my opinion, and I'm in a cranky mood.
BTW, I was brought up in a Christian family. I doubted the existence of God ever since I was a little boy. In my opinion, if you still believe in God or at least don't have any strong doubts in his existence by the time you are in your teenage years, you have proved to yourself that you are mentally ret*d. I think that at least half of all Christians are mentally ret*d for devoting their time to something they have no proof of. If they are not completely mentally ret*d they are at least borderline ret*d. After reading about monsters and such in the bible how the hell can you believe in in a God? Oops, I forgot, you are ret*d. Dumb people believe in dumb stuff.
Sorry, this is only my opinion, and I'm in a cranky mood.
I wouldn't have dared phrase it so aggressively myself, but it does my heart good to read it! I had begun to believe young people of today were incapable of thinking for themselves. Bravo!

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Here's a Heinlein quote (if you are Christian you won't know who the hell this is since science and science fiction is probably a "sin" to you).
"Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child."
I read this quote in the science fiction book by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle book "Lucifer's Hammer" and I really liked it. (The quote and the book)
I love Heinlein! I even liked "Starship Troopers", though it's a little bit fascist. I don't share Heinlein's views on socialism, but I respect his "rugged individualism".
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I know more about Natural Selection than anyone I know, and I've read "the origin of species" more than a few times. My faith is based on scientific evidence and faith. I think that Christian morals are what I should live by, and I do. I don't try to force my ideals on anyone, but I really don't like it when people put down my system of beliefs. If you say that I'm ignorant for what I believe in, then you're probably mistaken, as my I.Q. is almost guaranteed to be forty points above yours. So I know I've probably successfully vilified myself in your eyes, but that's what I believe in, and I don't care if you all hate me now.
sorry if I've offended anyone.
have a pleasant day.
I don't see how anyone of intelligence can make claims about supernatural things that are unprovable. And I'm convinced that all humans are driven by their emotions, no matter how intelligent they are. You probably believe what you believe because you want to, not because you have stumbled upon some proof that has eluded generations of metaphysicians. (And you can't be too intelligent if you didn't notice that "My faith is based on scientific evidence and faith" is a circular argument.)
That's probably because you haven't studied the history of Christianity. The Western world didn't get christianized because people wanted to believe in absurd, unreal nonsense, but because Christian zealots burned pagan temples and libraries and killed anyone who opposed them. If you want to know what the world would look like if Al-Kaida were to win, just look at Europe in the Middle Ages. It's been done before.

Signed, Kalister.
We'd also be stoning people who work on the sabbath, murdering unfaithful wives, and killing our sons if the voice in our head tells us to.
Have you seen the history of Judaism? Those guys kicked butt! For such a loving god, he sure had some violent followers.

Okay then: The Shabbat is Saturday, men who commit adultery are also executed, and your reference to Isaac is purposefully incomplete.
Wow. Okay. Exactly why I don't want extremist Christians running the country

Yes, he was saved at the end. He still was going to go through with it until an angel came down and stopped him. This shows you the problem with faith - you must unquestionably follow the voices in your head, as they will never lead you astray.
Also, there is a separation of church and state not just to protect churches, but to make sure the state doesn't become a theocracy.
How would you like it if we became a Hindu state? If you don't worship Shiva, you'll be executed.
I'm being sarcastic to illustrate a point, sorry. But, it's very hard to favor one religion over the other, when it comes to dealing with the state, so its best just not to introduce it.
Most Christians are not evangelical or fundamentalist. Those are still minorities that do not represent mainstream Christianity. However, perhaps because of the evangelism, these minoroties are so vocal that their beliefs have become synonymous with Christianity in the minds of many people.
I don't take issue with any belief system, but I do support separation of church and state in order to promote freedom of belief, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, etc. I think that theocracy is unnecessarily restrictive. Evangelism can thrive without intruding on the law - aren't there better ways to convert people?
I don't take issue with any belief system, but I do support separation of church and state in order to promote freedom of belief, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, etc. I think that theocracy is unnecessarily restrictive. Evangelism can thrive without intruding on the law - aren't there better ways to convert people?
I think it has to do with the new wave of Christianity known as "Domination Theology" or "Domination Christianity, or even "Dominion Christianity". They want to run the state, and are very powerful, and very vocal.
Secular morals and viewpoints have tempered many of the more extreme Christian sects. However, many of the portions which adhere to the bible strictly are beyond any sort of reason.
Many overseas religious followers would laugh at "moderate" Christians, believing them to not be "real" Christians. The bible can be interpreted in many ways, and if you follow it strictly its a very dangerous book.
I've meet one of those kind of people. He tried making my whole class listen to his way of life and when people asked him to shut up he'd say he was "saving" us. I wanted to kill the guy when he said that gays should all be murdered when he keeps saying how you should "love thy neighbor"
The Bible is a bunch of hypocritical statements.
Yeah, it's also one of the stupidest lies I have ever heard. If you are gullible enough to believe in the bible, you have proved yourself as being mentally ret*d. Just like you'd have to be mentally ret*d to believe in the following story:
Guess what guys! I just saw some monsters today! They were really big and red and had fire coming out of their mouths! I ran for hours and hours and kept on running! BTW, then some more monsters chased me and a big-ass dragon came and flew in front of me while I was running from the monsters that were behind me! Then my friend Mr. Dude came and helped me cast magic on some of the monsters that were chasing me! They all died and the whole world was happy!
That stupid story I just made up is about as believable and stupid as some of the s**t I've read in the bible. People read this ret*d stuff and think it's all deep. Monsters aren't real, so why do people believe in monsters when they read about them in the bible?
BTW, if you think that there aren't any monsters in the bible you are wrong. Read Revelations, there is plenty of talk of monsters in that book of the bible. Most Christians don't ever read the bible though unfortunately.
I find it sad and pathetic how it seems like more non-Christians have read the bible than Christians. If Christians would actually read the bible they'd maybe realize how ret*d the religion they are studying is.