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Well, its simple enough - just protest against ID cards. It doesn't look as though Blair will get them through anyway considering his recent humiliating defeat on the Anti-Terror Bills.

I have and I will! I hope you're right and they don't get it through, I can think of nothing worse at infringing already eroded civil rights and a waste of good money too!

Thankfully, I think the IT behind the project is so huge and already so badly run, it doesn't have much of a chance anyway!

This is what happened in Somalia in 1992-1993.

No system of political governence will succeed until one of two things occur:
1. Humans evolve to the point where corruption and self interest no longer take precedence over sensible and informed thought

OR

2. Something other than NT humans take over the role of government.

Humans succeed in causing every system they create to fail even when theoretically those systems should work.

yeh

the refined form of demodracy/communism i proposed in this thred - http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=53123#53123 - shoudnt be effected by corruption becos thered be no one person in a position to exploit it. There is, howevera major problem of burocracy here, which wood effectively cripple the proposed sistem without a lot of work to out a way to cut that burocracy down...

The most clever, efficient, and subtle forms of explotiation and abuse of power are not done by lone individuals, but by groups, known as partnerships, rings, or conspiracies. Thus, your new form of communism would be the same atrocious monster as all other communist regimes that would have to be destroyed to restore the same freedom it was intended to facilitate. What you guys and every other communist idealist in history fail to consider is that there is too much greed, selfishness, and evil in general hard wired into every individual for communism to work as it was originally envisioned by Karl Marx, Mao Tse-tung, or Kim Il Sung.

<i>"as it was originally envisioned by Karl Marx, Mao Tse-tung, or Kim Il Sung."</i>

Mao and Kim created their own garbage philosophy roughly based on Marxism. Very roughly.

Regardless of who created what, they don't work because they fail to factor in the darker side of human nature, or in a very bizare paradox, they try to drive the darker side of human nature out of their society (if you can call it that) at the end of a bayonet.

I think we should nationalise Sean and make him fully accountable to the public.

We'll find a way to root out the darker side of human nature eventually Sean, whether you like it or not. I do believe we are heading in the right direction. For instance, two thousand years ago, human sacrifices and blood sports (gladiators?) were a normal part of many societies. Now, it has been stamped out completely, and those that do still do that kind of thing are criminals and punished by the law.

Believe me, 500 years from now, poverty will be consigned to the history books. Us socialists are doing a very good job, and one day we will beat the likes of George Bush and his successors.

Thats good one RobertN.

WTF??? Making me accountable to the public involes a trial, and I haven't done anything illegal. Also, assuming there is a way to nationalize a person, that would be unjust because you would have a seperate rule of law for one person than the rest. Now I really have to question more than ever just what kind of society you are trying to build, where your socialist "utopia" has different standards of law for different people. So much for eradicating the darker side of man. It sure sounds like another petty communist dictatorship to me!

Sean he was joking. And theres no such thing as a communist dictatorship.

Assassin

Most communist states in Europe in the past were dictatorships. A few examples Tito (Yugoslavia), Ceausecu (Romania), Stalin (U.S.S.R.), Mao (China), Zhivkov (Bulgaria) these and others where one man dictorships in the communist system.

They "think" they are Communist.